question about shaft making...

alstl

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...I'm reading "The Science of Pocket Billiards" by Jack Koehler. He says "Expensive shafts are milled down to final size in several stages to help insure against warping. With each milling a thin layer of wood is shaved off. This changes the iternal stresses and the shaft may warp slightly. After several months another thin layer is milled off which straightens the shaft and again changes the internal stresses...The shafts of cheaper sticks are taken down to final size in one milling."

Before I saw that I assumed shafts were made in one milling. My question is this: How common is it for shafts to be made in several stages vs one milling? It seems like the larger companies making a lot of cues would be under pressure to produce a lot of cues and not have the time to take several months to make a shaft.

Thanks
 
I would think it would be EXTREMELY uncommon for anyone to be cutting shaft wood down to final specs in one cut. Cuemakers have a their shaft wood in various stages at all times. 5-6 cuts (or even more) from blank squares or rounds to finished size is the norm rather than the exception. Would think this would also hold true for production manufacturers.
 
alstl said:
...I'm reading "The Science of Pocket Billiards" by Jack Koehler. He says "Expensive shafts are milled down to final size in several stages to help insure against warping. With each milling a thin layer of wood is shaved off. This changes the iternal stresses and the shaft may warp slightly. After several months another thin layer is milled off which straightens the shaft and again changes the internal stresses...The shafts of cheaper sticks are taken down to final size in one milling."

Before I saw that I assumed shafts were made in one milling. My question is this: How common is it for shafts to be made in several stages vs one milling? It seems like the larger companies making a lot of cues would be under pressure to produce a lot of cues and not have the time to take several months to make a shaft.

Thanks


Most custom cuemakers take several stages and months to turn their shafts. It takes me about two years before a square ends up to be a finished shaft...

I have heard the stories wich are so common with production cues where trees are being cut in Canada, sawn and kiln dried on the boat to Japan, turned down in less than three weeks from boards to shaft in China and send out for sale in less than the total 8 weeks (from tree to shaft).

I don't know if these rumors are true, but I have to make the sad conclusion that too many production cues warp in less then two months...

Anyway, the way of sawing the wood (rift sawn or quarter sawn), the way of drying the wood (air dried or kiln dried), the way of stocking the boards and squares are all of a great influence on maple...
Good cuemakers know how to get thrue these steps without taking too much risk of letting their wood warp.

The best way of making a stress free piece of wood is the way the old Romans did it. Some of the old Roman houses build with wood still stand today...

They used to cut an old (not sick or dead) tree down (preferably during old moon so the sap would stay in the stump), remove the bark and dump the log in a cold, streaming river.
The log would eventually sink and after a year or so, it would start floating again (this was done to remove the sap in the log).
Then, the logs would be stored in dark rooms where they would stay for two or more years untill they were dry.
After the period of three or more years, the log would be cut in beams (quartersawn) and left to dry for another two years in the open air...
Then, the beams would be used in house building, furniture making...etc.

But this process is way too expensive today. Too bad...

Tom Penrose
 
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I've been wondering if in the future we might see "the production cuemakers" going to the use of the new tech aftermarket shaft designs to speed up production and have hand selected solid shafts as an option (at an additional cost of course). Any thoughts?

Terry
 
Theories abound on this subject, and people have some weird ideas about it. Searching this forum will yield a LOT of discussion about it.
I like to cut shafts down very quickly at first, then cut the last .040" or so in .010 increments over time.
 
Sheldon said:
Theories abound on this subject, and people have some weird ideas about it. Searching this forum will yield a LOT of discussion about it.
I like to cut shafts down very quickly at first, then cut the last .040" or so in .010 increments over time.

I make 8 passes with a minimum of 6 weeks to a pass. First pass= 25mm to 19mm then 17mm, 16mm, 15mm, 14.5mm, 14mm, 13.5. At this size they hang in my cabinet until matched up to butt and final size determined.
Dick
 
I always thought it was a waste to baby wood that you were only going to cut away later. That is why I cut the hell out of shafts right away, then baby the last few cuts. You get a few more culls this way, but it also weeds out the ones with iffy grain pretty quickly. The end result had been excellent. In the last 6 years I've only replaced one shaft due to it warping.
 
cueaddicts said:
I would think it would be EXTREMELY uncommon for anyone to be cutting shaft wood down to final specs in one cut. Cuemakers have a their shaft wood in various stages at all times. 5-6 cuts (or even more) from blank squares or rounds to finished size is the norm rather than the exception. Would think this would also hold true for production manufacturers.
I turn my shafts 24 times minimum, :eek: and dip them in Nelsonite a couple of times in there. Takes a long time to make shafts.
 
How long between cuts?

Ted Harris said:
I turn my shafts 24 times minimum, :eek: and dip them in Nelsonite a couple of times in there. Takes a long time to make shafts.
Saw your post about 24 cuts for making a shaft, how long do you wait between subsequent cuts?
 
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