Ok, I have installed Simonis, CPBA and few cheap cloths on my own tables.I have never installed anything faster than 860. I know that on a 9ft table with Simonis the stretch is around 1.8. I just installed Gorina Tournament 2000 and what I came up with as the stretch index of 2.7. basically 3.5" stretch. Does this sound right? Does fast cloth have that much more stretch? What is it for 760 cloth?