Question Regarding Taking Apart Old Brunswick, teens or 20's?

[Timkrieger]

Hi, I was given a table for free, but I need to take it apart myself, me and a team of several brother in laws, and get it out of the house ASAP this weekend. Looking for advice on the order of disassembly, where to start, ...assuming there are bolts under the rails that need to come out as a starting point? What tools are needed? Flat head screw driver? Best way to separate slates with the dowels without risking cracking the slate? Rubber mallet?

Does anyone know what model this Brunswick is and what year it's from, it's a 9 footer with a ball return, the nameplate seems to be from the teens or 20's, but I'm not familiar with this table.

Any help from the experts is appreciated!

Thanks!

 

[boogieman]

Beautiful table! I don't have a specific answer, nor am I a mechanic. I'd say, come with a set of standard wrenches and sockets, and an adjustable wrench. Come with penetrating oil, you probably won't need it, but just in case. Take photos of every step, it is invaluable. Taking a table apart isn't rocket science, just think logically. Look at similar newer Brusnwicks, there are manuals here and online. Generally, the rails unbolt from the slate. The rails bolt to the pocket irons. The slate bolts to the frame. With a table this old, make sure the slate isn't pinned. In other words, if it's 3 piece and you lift an end slate up, it will destroy the slate. If it's pinned, slide the ends out to clear the pins. use a razor blade to separate the slates, whether waxed or bondoed. Take your time, don't get in a rush. This table has been around since the 1920s, you are a caretaker of the table. Taken care of, it will outlast you or I. Just don't rush it and be logical and careful.

EDIT: Hopefully a mechanic can give better answers, but please update us with photos of the setup and anything you feel like doing. We LIVE for this stuff! Enjoy the hell out of your treasure!

 

[Timkrieger]

Beautiful table! I don't have a specific answer, nor am I a mechanic. I'd say, come with a set of standard wrenches and sockets, and an adjustable wrench. Come with penetrating oil, you probably won't need it, but just in case. Take photos of every step, it is invaluable. Taking a table apart isn't rocket science, just think logically. Look at similar newer Brusnwicks, there are manuals here and online. Generally, the rails unbolt from the slate. The rails bolt to the pocket irons. The slate bolts to the frame. With a table this old, make sure the slate isn't pinned. In other words, if it's 3 piece and you lift an end slate up, it will destroy the slate. If it's pinned, slide the ends out to clear the pins. use a razor blade to separate the slates, whether waxed or bondoed. Take your time, don't get in a rush. This table has been around since the 1920s, you are a caretaker of the table. Taken care of, it will outlast you or I. Just don't rush it and be logical and careful.

EDIT: Hopefully a mechanic can give better answers, but please update us with photos of the setup and anything you feel like doing. We LIVE for this stuff! Enjoy the hell out of your treasure!

Thanks! Yes, I'll take extra care with the slates, I've seen the older pinned slates on other tables that always seem to be cracked from people not sliding the slates apart before lifting. I looked on the Brunswick website under the catalogs, looks like this may be the Reno model made from 1912-1915.

 

[3kushn]

It's likely a T-Rail which will require either a adjustable pin spanner wrench or one of these and a bit brace to remove the rails.
You'll also need either the proper size square or 8pt socket or at the very least 12pt sockets. Don't know the sizes off hand but you'll have a hard time with 6pt sockets on square head bolts that hold the frame and legs together.

A better way if you have the time and going to use the below tool is to fill up a deep well socket with something like JB Weld and sink that shank into it, then you can use a ratchet wrench. Works really well and you have more control keeping those pins in the rail bolts.

 

[Ssonerai]

Hi, I was given a table for free, but I need to take it apart myself, me and a team of several brother in laws, and get it out of the house ASAP this weekend.

You are probably correct about the era.
First glance, looks like a cross between and Aviator and a Madison.
A Coreno (maybe made for only a year or 2?) looks close, but not exactly the same.

These catalogs are not all listed in sequence, and lot of older ones on page 2 and later as well (scroll down to bottom of page to click for more)

Search Results for catalog 1926 | Brunswick Billiards

Noticing this at 11:30 PM Sunday night, no doubt you are all done but the celebrating? (or crying???)

Looking for advice on the order of disassembly, where to start,

On the off chance that you were actually pro-active enough not to ask at the last minute and *next* weekend is the magic date?
I can make the effort to dig out assembly pics of my wife's similar era Royal if no one else chimes in.

It's likely a T-Rail which will require either a adjustable pin spanner wrench or one of these and a bit brace to remove the rails

Always best to have the correct tools.
In a pinch on a job, you can jamb the jaws of a needle nose pliers in the holes, and crank on it with vise grips or an adjustable wrench across them.
If you have a week to work, you can make pin spanners by drilling though the jaws of a cheap adjustable wrench (You want the cheap version so the jaws are not too hard to drill), and pressing a couple dowel pins in. Then adjust the jaws as necessary to whatever pin drive nut you are working on, so long as the pins are not oversize. The actual tool 3Kushn showed is pretty cheap if you have time to order one.

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