Questions about CTE Pro One

enzo1990 said:
Yea, just like others. When you can't answer a question you just quit helping them. It's like when your child ask you why 2 times 4 equals 8, and you don't know why but you know it's true, you just tell them to figure out themselves. This is just an example I'm sure you know the answer to it. But this aiming system is different. There has to be a reason, an explanation to it why it works. If you don't know that's ok just say it. But don't be mad just because I'm asking a question you cannot answer.


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That is a very unfair accusation. Gerry doesn't owe you any explanations. I can assure you, he understands the system incredibly well. You just did an excellent job of killing one of your best sources of information.

If my child were to have paid attention in class and then spent a reasonable amount of time trying to figure it out, I would have found several ways to explain why 2 x 4 = 8. Might have used marbles, fingers, toothpicks or something like that. I would have described a process for how to figure this out on their own. If 5 seconds later, they came back and asked me what 3 x 3 is, I'd lightly chastise them for not trying.

If they came back a third time and said "Daddy, the reason you're not answering my question is because you're a dumb arse." I would have spanked their butts and sent them to bed.

Hopefully, you get my analogy here.
 
nobcitypool said:
I'm seeing that you may be Patrick Johnson coming back as yet another alias. I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt but it seems like everybody that has been a troll against CTE/Pro One has pretty much followed your path.

Before we all absolutely confirm that, let me ask you a couple of questions.

How many times have you watched the DVD, particularly the first 8 or 9 sections? How much time have you actually spent at the table trying the proposition shots and or the shots from the DVD? Have you watched all the YouTube Videos Stan has out there? There's one in particular that may help with obtaining your visuals.

In the event you're sincere, let me suggest this as a way to start. Let say you have a left cut but thick. Stand behind the CB and find the line that goes from CCB to Center OB. Now start shuffling slightly to your left until you see the left edge of the CB aligned with A on the OB. Now glance through CCB to see if you see the right edge of the OB. It should be close. If you don't, move a bit radially around the CB until the outside right edge of the OB comes into focus while also seeing the ETA line as well. This is your fixed CB visual perception. If you look at the back of the CB now and see the line that makes, you sweep off of that line. In this case, your head moves to the right as you go down to the shot which would thicken the cut. If you see the cut needs to be thinner, you would get this same fixed CB perception and then move into the shot with your head moving down to the left.

If you really are sincere and not coming on to make trouble, I can understand why this is a bit confusing. This is a complete and total different way of aiming so it does take a little time to begin to rather automatically see these perceptions. One of Stan's YouTube videos does describe what I attempted to put into words above. If I'm struggling to get a particular visual, I go back to this method. If something doesn't look right, I'll go back and start from this, using that center to center as a reference.

By the way, if the shot is around what you'd probably consider a half ball hit or a bit thinner, now you use ETB as you reference. You repeat above but you go a bit further. Oddly enough, you will pick up a second CTE line except this time, the Edge of the CB will be on line with the Center of the OB.

Take some time to work on this. If you're going to give up and start drawing diagrams after an hour or two on the table, you're wasting your time, you'll never stick it out long enough to become proficient at it. Or, you're a troll.

By the way, I think Bieber is a guy, not a girl.
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Thank you very much for your elaboration. I'm going to try it for till the point of either I get it or I just don't get it no matter how hard I try and have to ask for help. I thought Beiber was a girl because of his profile picture.

Regarding Gerry, like you have said, I could turn to him for help and I did. I don't understand why he quit answering my questions though. I'm just asking the questions sincerely to someone who is good at Cte Pro One. Your right about him knowing the system pretty well. No doubt about that. But being able to explain it to others is another story. That's why there are teachers and students. Teachers are good at explaining stuff so that students can understand easily. Even Stan can't explain the system thoroughly, but he knows the system better than anyone. I believe the system works because I have seen Stan's videos, Gerry's videos, and JB's videos. I want to acquire it because I love playing pool and want to get better at it. There's this path that leads me to it in front me but there are some huge rocks blocking the path. I'm going to do whatever I can to clear the path. I don't have any intention to discredit Cte Pro One whatsoever. That said, I will try my best to do what you said.
 
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You probably are missing some history here with the years old "Aiming Wars" and constant crap Stan and other endure from some naysayers. Gerry is a VERY nice gentleman and can explain CTE/Pro One very well. He, Stan and others are just tired of the trolls, that's all.

You may be sincere. I hope so, I don't understand at all the stupidity of creating an anonymous username in order to come on here and stir up crap over an aiming system. Why an intelligent adult human would waste their time doing that is completely beyond me. I could give a shit less what aiming system everyone is using. I've found what I'm convinced is the best one so I'm satisfied.

BTW, Stan actually can explain CTE/Pro One like you can't believe. He's been waging this war for some time and gets weary of at times of all the petty BS.

Give it a fair try, try to contain your frustration and maintain things in a constructive manner. I was where you're at a year ago and as I've said, I'm incredibly thankful I stayed with CTE/Pro One.
 
Take the shots to the table and go through the motions. Don't expect to understand everything first, you'll just get frustrated. Shoot the shots as described. Use the shots from the DVD so you don't have to guess what visuals to use. If you miss, try again and figure out what hits the pocket and stick with it. You will begin to unlock the visuals as you do this. Once you start to grasp the visuals through some repetition, a lot of things will fall into place. It will be "aha" and only continue from there. Just stick with it. Give it a few weeks at least. If you try every day, it should happen pretty quickly.

Some things just take some up-front repetition to get it. Like riding a bike. You just have try and try until it clicks. Then go back through the DVD and a lot of things will begin to make better sense.
 
mohrt said:
Take the shots to the table and go through the motions. Don't expect to understand everything first, you'll just get frustrated. Shoot the shots as described. Use the shots from the DVD so you don't have to guess what visuals to use. If you miss, try again and figure out what hits the pocket and stick with it. You will begin to unlock the visuals as you do this. Once you start to grasp the visuals through some repetition, a lot of things will fall into place. It will be "aha" and only continue from there. Just stick with it. Give it a few weeks at least. If you try every day, it should happen pretty quickly.

Some things just take some up-front repetition to get it. Like riding a bike. You just have try and try until it clicks. Then go back through the DVD and a lot of things will begin to make better sense.
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Thanks mohrt, I will.
 
enzo1990 said:
I uploaded my image on google doc, please click the link to see what I'm talking about
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5vPYK478lVyZ3I5S2t2LVEzdms/edit

In this picture, I drew the cte line and eta line as I saw. Suppose it's a 30 dgr left cut to the pocket, from where I stand using cte pro one won't do the job. I mean no matter what cut shot it is, I will always stand here cutting the ob to the same direction which won't pocket the ball.
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You won't make the ball because your pic shows a 15 degree perception!:wink:
 
nobcitypool said:
You probably are missing some history here with the years old "Aiming Wars" and constant crap Stan and other endure from some naysayers. Gerry is a VERY nice gentleman and can explain CTE/Pro One very well. He, Stan and others are just tired of the trolls, that's all.

You may be sincere. I hope so, I don't understand at all the stupidity of creating an anonymous username in order to come on here and stir up crap over an aiming system. Why an intelligent adult human would waste their time doing that is completely beyond me. I could give a shit less what aiming system everyone is using. I've found what I'm convinced is the best one so I'm satisfied.

BTW, Stan actually can explain CTE/Pro One like you can't believe. He's been waging this war for some time and gets weary of at times of all the petty BS.

Give it a fair try, try to contain your frustration and maintain things in a constructive manner. I was where you're at a year ago and as I've said, I'm incredibly thankful I stayed with CTE/Pro One.
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Yea, I don't know the history because I'm new here. It started as the day I went to buy a cue from a local shop. From there I saw Shane Van Boening's DVD, but I didn't pay much attention to it. I have seen a lot of pool matches on youtube. I personally like Alex Pagulayan and Shane Van Boening a lot. If Shane had DVD about aiming system, I should definitely check it out. But from what I learned, his aiming system is too complicated. But then I saw a post about Cte Pro One. The OP says how great it is and how it has changed his game. So I decided to give it try. At least I think Cte Pro 1 is easier to learn compared to Shane's aiming system. I have seen the match between Landon and Earl. I was amazed by Landon's performance. That also shows how excellent Cte Pro One is. So I ordered DVD 2 from Stan. After watching it I was super confused. I decided to give it try on the pool table before asking any stupid questions that might be solved during practice. It didn't work. I started to ask people for help. Now I understand why Stan is so negative toward me. He says he knows what my game is, but I'm not playing any game. I really would love to take a lesson from Stan, but it's a too far from where I live (L.A.). I'm sure the lesson is priceless, I currently just don't have time. That's just a little story of me. And I sincerely appreciate you being rational and understanding.
 
I found it very confusing as well. Seemed like they never gave you the shooters perspective from behind the cue ball. Seemed every shoot was facing the shooter so you never saw the shots from their perspective. I was lost so I stopped watching. Might not be bright enough. Bought both DVD's. Shouldn't have to come on a forum to figure it out.
 
jburkm002 said:
I found it very confusing as well. Seemed like they never gave you the shooters perspective from behind the cue ball. Seemed every shoot was facing the shooter so you never saw the shots from their perspective. I was lost so I stopped watching. Might not be bright enough. Bought both DVD's. Shouldn't have to come on a forum to figure it out.
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Exactly, we're on the same boat. This aiming system is way beyond an average individual's comprehension. I think Stan has tried his best to explain it in the DVDs and video clips, but this stuff is just too hard to learn from videos and words.
 
Gerry Williams said:
A 15 degree perception with an inside sweep will make a 30 degree cut shot depending on the distance between the cue ball and object ball.

These 5 were made with a 15 degree perception.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98fKl1W-7GE&list=UU8rNnGNPTLwihnszKS4Zg2g
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Well, in the video you did a 15 dgr perception with an inside sweep for all the 5 shots, which means you went through the same processes, how could you end up making 5 different angled shots? I mean wasn't your object ball supposed to go the same direction for each shot? For example, if I tell someone at a starting point to walk 5 steps ahead, then turn around walk 3 steps ahead. Now where he ends up being we call finishing point. Then I tell him to go back to starting point and repeat those steps, he should end up at finishing point everytime if his stride is consistent. Cte Pro One is consistent. Even in the video Stan says visual is the same visual, pivot is always 1/2 tip. If you did everything exactly the same for each shot in the video, I don't understand how you pocketed all the shots.
 
enzo1990 said:
Exactly, we're on the same boat. This aiming system is way beyond an average individual's comprehension. I think Stan has tried his best to explain it in the DVDs and video clips, but this stuff is just too hard to learn from videos and words.
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The visual perceptions come from BOTH eyes, one is generally more dominant than the other. That's why a head cam likely would not be effective.

Do you remember the first time you played pool? Was it easy? Did you run racks? But yet you expect to learn CTE /Pro One in few days? It isn't for everyone, not everyone is willing to make the investment necessary to achieve excellence.
 
enzo1990 said:
Well, in the video you did a 15 dgr perception with an inside sweep for all the 5 shots, which means you went through the same processes, how could you end up making 5 different angled shots? I mean wasn't your object ball supposed to go the same direction for each shot? For example, if I tell someone at a starting point to walk 5 steps ahead, then turn around walk 3 steps ahead. Now where he ends up being we call finishing point. Then I tell him to go back to starting point and repeat those steps, he should end up at finishing point everytime if his stride is consistent. Cte Pro One is consistent. Even in the video Stan says visual is the same visual, pivot is always 1/2 tip. If you did everything exactly the same for each shot in the video, I don't understand how you pocketed all the shots.
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You won't see if you don't try. If all you're going to do is take a pessimistic and antagonistic approach, you're wasting your time and everyone else's.
 
nobcitypool said:
The visual perceptions come from BOTH eyes, one is generally more dominant than the other. That's why a head cam likely would not be effective.

Do you remember the first time you played pool? Was it easy? Did you run racks? But yet you expect to learn CTE /Pro One in few days? It isn't for everyone, not everyone is willing to make the investment necessary to achieve excellence.
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I know learning it takes a lot of table time and stuff. But during the learning process, I also have a lot of questions. By having answers to my questions that might help me learn it a lot more faster than it's supposed to be. Maybe a head cam wouldn't be effective, but if someone listened and tried, no matter if it was effective or not, we would appreciate your effort in helping us learn. I know you guys own me nothing, but I would be very happy and feel warm that if you guys try your best to help me.
 
nobcitypool said:
You won't see if you don't try. If all you're going to do is take a pessimistic and antagonistic approach, you're wasting your time and everyone else's.
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And now why is the sudden negativity? Am I asking something I'm not supposed to ask? I don't understand how this upsets you.
 
I see that you guys see me as discrediting Cte Pro One. It might seem like that but that's not my intention as I stated before. I'm just trying to understand it using my own knowledge. Please don't be negative toward me.
 
Stan has experimented with filming from the shooter's perspective. For the reasons I explained, it simply doesn't work ... or help.

There's nothing wrong with you asking questions. People are making a more than reasonable attempt to answer them. It does appear however that you are spending more time asking questions than you are looking at all the resources available to you and trying things at the tale.

Do a YouTube search for Stan Shuffett and/or CTE/Pro One. I think a number of the questions you are asking will be answered in those videos. Start first working on the simplest shots. Again, look at the proposition shots and those shown in the video. I can assure NOBODY can answer your questions that will enable you to learn CTE/Pro One without you investing a lot of table time. You've had the DVD a couple of days and you're ready to throw in the towel. Spend more time at the table, take your laptop and go through the DVD step by step. People are getting frustrated with your questions because it is obvious you aren't putting the time in at the table.
 
nobcitypool said:
You won't see if you don't try. If all you're going to do is take a pessimistic and antagonistic approach, you're wasting your time and everyone else's.
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Correct.

I remember seeing that video on perception when he first uploaded it, and didn't pay it much attention. Then a few weeks ago, I watched it again, and actually went to the table to practice the shots.

If you get your visuals CTE(R)/ETA, and compare the first shot (thick cut) to the fifth shot (thin cut). You'll see that even though your visuals are the same, the fifth shot actually looks like a thinner cut.

It's difficult to explain in words, but is really easy to see once you try it at the table, and it was a great eye opener for me.
 
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