Questions about jump/break cue

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Wing

The Wingman
Hi there!

Im new to the forum and have been reading around for a bit now. Ive found some great info but still have a couple of questions about jump/break cues.

First off, how much of an advantage is having a JB vs having just a break cue and a shooting cue? I get that the main advantage is a shorter stick to more easily execute a decent jump, but is it really not doable with your normal cue? And wouldn't a normal shooting cue work better as the tip on a shooting cue will grip the ball more? (Assuming of course that you are using a medium or soft tip)

Secondly, on my Mcdermott i have a Kamui medium tip, and i love it. When thinking about what kind of tip id like to have on my J/b cue, i immediately thought phenolic, but then someone recommended that i try a Kamui hard tip for two reasons. First, because i already like the action that a kamui offers, but also because phenolic tips can be hard to control and dont hold chalk well at all. Whether or not any of this holds truth is a bit beyond me.

Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys!

W
 
Theres not a big difference.

A J/B is more convenient but a dedicated jump cue usually jumps a bit better in most cases.

To jump you want the hardest tip available. Phenolic will jump the easiest and as the tips move towards being softer the harder it will be to jump.
 
Jumping with a jump cue is way easier than jumping with a full cue. There's no comparison. Jumpin with a full cue is like trying to get out of a sand trap with a putter. You might be able to do it, but its goin to be a lot more difficult and clumsy than just pulling out a wedge.

Ideally, you'd want a separate break cue and jump cue. Break/jump cues tend to excel at either breaking or jumping, but not both.
 
You want the shaft of the jump cue to deflect out of the way of the raising CB--this happens naturally with a light rather flexible shaft. The jump tip wants to be as hard as remains legal.

For maximum energy transfer, one wants a stiff shaft on a break cue and a hard tip. Many people like realy hard tips for break cues, but the hardness of the tip on a break cue is not as important as on the jump cue.
 
RRfireblade said:
Theres not a big difference.

A J/B is more convenient but a dedicated jump cue usually jumps a bit better in most cases.

To jump you want the hardest tip available. Phenolic will jump the easiest and as the tips move towards being softer the harder it will be to jump.
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What he said....... :wink:
 
RRfireblade said:
Theres not a big difference.

A J/B is more convenient but a dedicated jump cue usually jumps a bit better in most cases.
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Best answer ever!


The best tip to install on any j/b cues at the moment seems to be Samsara tip. I am using it right now on my cheapy J&J b/j cue and what I can say is it is bloody good. It received huge compliments from other pool players who tried it.

Alternative solutions are Ice Breaker tip, White Diamond tip and some others that I don't know. I haven't tried them yet but heard a lot of good things about them here or on the internet.
 
Wing said:
First off, how much of an advantage is having a JB vs having just a break cue and a shooting cue? I get that the main advantage is a shorter stick to more easily execute a decent jump, but is it really not doable with your normal cue?
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There are many jump shots that are NOT “doable” with a shooting cue. For example a jump shot with draw. To date I have yet to see someone do this accurately; also look at how far the OB and the CB need to be to be to execute a shot with a playing cue. I think you are looking at the jump shot as some kind of “special” shot. It is not it is like any other pool shot, better equipment, with good technique and lots of practice = better results consistently over time. BTW it is more that a jump cue is lighter than it is shorter that makes it jump better. But the length makes it easier to handle.

Wing said:
And wouldn't a normal shooting cue work better as the tip on a shooting cue will grip the ball more? (Assuming of course that you are using a medium or soft tip)
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I think you may have the wrong idea about a jump shot, the CB is driven into the cloth and the resulting force sends it into the air, you want the most force so a harder tip is better most of the time. Now I suppose if you wanted jump with action/english you wouldn’t want the hardest tip but how often does this come up? Not often.

Wing said:
Secondly, on my Mcdermott i have a Kamui medium tip, and i love it. When thinking about what kind of tip id like to have on my J/b cue, i immediately thought phenolic, but then someone recommended that i try a Kamui hard tip for two reasons. First, because i already like the action that a kamui offers, but also because phenolic tips can be hard to control and dont hold chalk well at all. Whether or not any of this holds truth is a bit beyond me.

Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys!

W
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You will not know what kind of tip you like best for your J/B, your dedicated jump cue or your dedicated break cue. You may speculate that you will like Kamui’s tip because you use one on your shooting cue and that’s a good guess yes but it is only a guess. There are a few different types of break/jump tips.
 
PGHteacher said:
There are many jump shots that are NOT “doable” with a shooting cue. For example a jump shot with draw.
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There is an internet video of Earl performing a jump draw with his play cue. Pops it over a ball 3-4 ball diameters distant, knocks the OB into the pocket 2 diamonds distant, and backs the CB up 1 diamond. (circa 1992-ish).
 
wow guys, thanks for all the great advice. Maybe the real question i need to be asking is what are some good j/b cues? Im looking to spend 200-300. I like the idea that there is a tool for every job. Hopefully you guys will help me find it! =]
 
RRfireblade said:
Theres not a big difference.

A J/B is more convenient but a dedicated jump cue usually jumps a bit better in most cases.

To jump you want the hardest tip available. Phenolic will jump the easiest and as the tips move towards being softer the harder it will be to jump.
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Agreed. But I think the jump cue is a little easier to use the closer to the rail when you sort of tend to get jammed up, unless you're tall. Also, I believe phenolic tips are banned in some leagues because they actually have scratch many a cue ball.
 
PGHteacher said:
There are many jump shots that are NOT “doable” with a shooting cue. For example a jump shot with draw. To date I have yet to see someone do this accurately; also look at how far the OB and the CB need to be to be to execute a shot with a playing cue. I think you are looking at the jump shot as some kind of “special” shot. It is not it is like any other pool shot, better equipment, with good technique and lots of practice = better results consistently over time. BTW it is more that a jump cue is lighter than it is shorter that makes it jump better. But the length makes it easier to handle.



I think you may have the wrong idea about a jump shot, the CB is driven into the cloth and the resulting force sends it into the air, you want the most force so a harder tip is better most of the time. Now I suppose if you wanted jump with action/english you wouldn’t want the hardest tip but how often does this come up? Not often.



You will not know what kind of tip you like best for your J/B, your dedicated jump cue or your dedicated break cue. You may speculate that you will like Kamui’s tip because you use one on your shooting cue and that’s a good guess yes but it is only a guess. There are a few different types of break/jump tips.
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Ditto with 99.9% The .01 is the doable, but doable was in quotes so... I guess I agree 100%, but I don't know if Earl Strickland would agree.
 
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