Quick Intro + League Dilemma

RustyNH

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Hey all,
This is my first post though I've been on here lurking for a long time. I absolutely love pool and watch as much as I possibly can online with live streams or on youtube. I even love watching BB but don't hold it against me. :) I am 35 with a wife and 11 month old so I am luckily enough get 1 night a week to shoot pool. I'm an SL6 in APA 8 ball and a division rep for my small 10 team division up here in New Hampshire. I captain a really fun team of family and friends. We've had our fair share of success in APA going to Vegas in 2011 and 2012 for the team events. We cashed out in 129th place the 2nd year after going 2 and out the first trip. I still say that first time walking into the empty tourney room at the Riv at 3am and seeing the 200+ tables all lined up and ready to go was as close to a religous moment I've ever had. I cannot shake that feeling. OK enough about me...

Our division, as a whole, is comtemplating making a switch in Leagues. As in all 10 teams jump ship at the end of the session (which just so happens to be in a couple weeks!) For the switch it is looking as though we have narrowed it down to two options. USAPL or UPA.

We have just recently had a new USAPL operator show up at our league night with tales of $7/week and no membership fees all while sending a team to nationals direct from the division all expenses paid. Obviously USAPL has great backing as a whole with CSI / BCA. That is a big plus, but no one from our league knows the LO from a hole in the wall.

Our local UPA area has been purchased by a Captain of one of our own teams. He has a different divison running in an area about an hour away and seems very optimistic about the future of the UPA and obviously has a vested interest. He has mentioned $10/week with a membership fee of $25/year. I'm told that with the extra money per week, the division would be able to send 2 teams to Nationals, all expenses paid.

I haven't seen too much chatter on here about the UPA and am just looking to get some different opinions of either of the two leagues especially regarding handicaps/scoring and Nationals etc... I don't know how I feel about playing 8 ball with a ball count vs playing a race but I will reserve judgement until I actually play it. I guess my biggest worry is that either of the two leagues makes it less fun for the lower player that we end up losing a team or two and that messes up the total money needed to do the things that both leagues are hoping to do.

Sorry for the novel but I look forward hearing from those that took the time to read through.

Thanks, Rusty
 
Our local UPA area has been purchased by a Captain of one of our own teams. He has a different divison running in an area about an hour away and seems very optimistic about the future of the UPA and obviously has a vested interest. He has mentioned $10/week with a membership fee of $25/year. I'm told that with the extra money per week, the division would be able to send 2 teams to Nationals, all expenses paid.



Thanks, Rusty[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the forum Rusty, that is very nice for the LO to offer to pay for the trip. UPA corporate will also help pay for the trip to nationals, for the winner, if there are 20 or more teams in the advanced bracket qualifier.
 
Hey all,
This is my first post though I've been on here lurking for a long time. I absolutely love pool and watch as much as I possibly can online with live streams or on youtube. I even love watching BB but don't hold it against me. :) I am 35 with a wife and 11 month old so I am luckily enough get 1 night a week to shoot pool. I'm an SL6 in APA 8 ball and a division rep for my small 10 team division up here in New Hampshire. I captain a really fun team of family and friends. We've had our fair share of success in APA going to Vegas in 2011 and 2012 for the team events. We cashed out in 129th place the 2nd year after going 2 and out the first trip. I still say that first time walking into the empty tourney room at the Riv at 3am and seeing the 200+ tables all lined up and ready to go was as close to a religous moment I've ever had. I cannot shake that feeling. OK enough about me...

Our division, as a whole, is comtemplating making a switch in Leagues. As in all 10 teams jump ship at the end of the session (which just so happens to be in a couple weeks!) For the switch it is looking as though we have narrowed it down to two options. USAPL or UPA.

We have just recently had a new USAPL operator show up at our league night with tales of $7/week and no membership fees all while sending a team to nationals direct from the division all expenses paid. Obviously USAPL has great backing as a whole with CSI / BCA. That is a big plus, but no one from our league knows the LO from a hole in the wall.

Our local UPA area has been purchased by a Captain of one of our own teams. He has a different divison running in an area about an hour away and seems very optimistic about the future of the UPA and obviously has a vested interest. He has mentioned $10/week with a membership fee of $25/year. I'm told that with the extra money per week, the division would be able to send 2 teams to Nationals, all expenses paid.

I haven't seen too much chatter on here about the UPA and am just looking to get some different opinions of either of the two leagues especially regarding handicaps/scoring and Nationals etc... I don't know how I feel about playing 8 ball with a ball count vs playing a race but I will reserve judgement until I actually play it. I guess my biggest worry is that either of the two leagues makes it less fun for the lower player that we end up losing a team or two and that messes up the total money needed to do the things that both leagues are hoping to do.

Sorry for the novel but I look forward hearing from those that took the time to read through.

Thanks, Rusty

i have no experience with either league and have read very little about them. i do have a question and a couple of opinions though.:grin-square:

why are you leaving apa ?

i was under the impression that usapl had a yearly fee just like bcapl. i thought i read that some where but may be wrong.

you mentioned points based 8 ball and again i am just assuming it is like bcapl where it is a round robin format and non handicapped at the national level.

its just my opinion based on not knowing much about either league and what you said about a new lo vs one you know i would go with the one you know. 2 out of 10 teams going to nationals for just 3.00 a week seems more enticing also.

then again if usapl is like bcapl you can go to the nationals on your own dime instead of playing for a free trip.
 
There is no major reason for switching from the APA. We are now collectively putting it to a vote. We may stay or switch, I really don't know what the overall thoughts of the league are just yet. The one major benefit I see is being able to keep teams together easier. The APA tends to keep bumping up the better players relative to each other which hurts the teams when they play outside the division.

I personally hate the new APA scoring system because it didn't fix the problem it was designed to do. Its great that 2-3s can get points for winning a game but now its the 2-3s that dictate the outcome of the match. Sandbagging is just as big now because you can lose but still get points by getting to the hill. This allows you to manage your winning percentage while still getting points for your team. I believe that the perfect team is all 3's that can make balls and play a little bit. One person gets hot and wins a few then they just have to lose a few while getting to the hill, this maintains their handicap while piling up the points for the team. If you have a team of people doing that while alternating the wins, that's going to be a tough team to beat...

But rant aside, this doesn't mean anything to my team now as we are in fun mode anyway. Making the trip to nationals twice has locked our handicaps and relegated us to no win land. 7-6-5-4-4-4-4 is a terrible team recipe. Trying to get everyone a chance to play each week while avoiding forfeits when one or two 4's are out for the night can be a nightmare.

I guess the moral of the story is if the group choses to stay, that's what we'll do and I don't think anyone would be upset with that decision.

Thanks for the replies, Rusty
 
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