Refinishing affect on cue value

[DawgAndy]

When I see "recently refinished" I immediately think hmmm... the cue was beat to death, not cared for.
So then I think the joint is probably loose, and it isn't original specs since some wood has to be taken off to remove the dents and nicks.
I always pass on "refinished", no matter who did the work. Too many original cues out there to buy something "refinished". just my opinion.

how does a cue get beat to death? you mean played with? loose joint? what is that? I'd rather buy a cue that was refinished then spend my money getting one refinished and then hope to recoup my money in such a soft market. Just get the shafts how you want them, either cleaned up or new ones made and play with for 20 years, if you still like then get it refinished

 

[KRJ]

When I see "recently refinished" I immediately think hmmm... the cue was beat to death, not cared for.
So then I think the joint is probably loose, and it isn't original specs since some wood has to be taken off to remove the dents and nicks.
I always pass on "refinished", no matter who did the work. Too many original cues out there to buy something "refinished". just my opinion.

I"ve had 3 cues refinished. A Schuler, a Spain and a Willie Hoppe pro model.

The Spain was bought by a big time Spain collector... at top price for the market at the time.

The Schuler went the Ebay route and did better than I expected.

Willie Hoppe model is not for sale. It was 75 years old and looked like it was ready for the junk pile, after a refinish (complete frame up restoration is more like it) I was offered $1000 for it after I got it back from Darren Hill. Stunning is the only way to describe her.

So, I'm not so against refinish. I don't like driving cars with dents or scratches, and don't like shooting pool with beat up cues.

 

[poolguy4u]

I"ve had 3 cues refinished. A Schuler, a Spain and a Willie Hoppe pro model.

The Spain was bought by a big time Spain collector... at top price for the market at the time.

The Schuler went the Ebay route and did better than I expected.

Willie Hoppe model is not for sale. It was 75 years old and looked like it was ready for the junk pile, after a refinish (complete frame up restoration is more like it) I was offered $1000 for it after I got it back from Darren Hill. Stunning is the only way to describe her.

So, I'm not so against refinish. I don't like driving cars with dents or scratches, and don't like shooting pool with beat up cues.

:love2:


I love getting my production cues refinished. I'll send off five at a time and

when they come back, it's like opening a Christmas present because you

never know what you're going to get. Usually the worst cues sent are the

best surprises. Turning junk into a masterpiece.


:smile:



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[lakeman77]

There are lots of refinished cues that look and play great. The question asked was does refinishing affect the value. I can't be alone in passing on refinished cues, so the potential pool of buyers for a refinished cues is smaller than for an original cues, it would seem to me.
Maybe that doesn't change the value, I don't sell enough cues to know.
It's like buying a car that's been in a wreck and fixed, car dealers give you less for that car on a trade in.
Of course the car may run just fine.
And again, I am not a pro cue dealer who knows cue markets inside and out.
It's all fun, and it's what makes markets, different opinions.

 

[oneshotwiss]

It's "effect," not "affect."

That's all you have to add to this thread? Everybody is right and it should have been effect in the title. Thank God for the grammar police on AZB

 

[Type79]

There are lots of refinished cues that look and play great. The question asked was does refinishing affect the value. I can't be alone in passing on refinished cues, so the potential pool of buyers for a refinished cues is smaller than for an original cues, it would seem to me.

There have been discussions on this topic elsewhere to the effect that the cue market is in direct opposition to other collectibles such as the car and guitar markets when comparing original vs restored.

There is a reason to restore or refinish a cue but IMO many cues are being refinished without good reason. Since no one can predict the future, the market could change to valuing original cues greater than those which are/were refinished.

A cue that requires a full-out restoration due to damage to points, needing a handle, will never be worth the same as a good original. The problem in that area is an honest seller who divulges that the cue was trash before the work.

Some are of the opinion that work done on increases the market value cue of a cue. A cue that is worth X will not be worth more than X regardless of how much money is spent on it.

 

[classiccues]

As Jay says this has been discussed in a few other places... Now I am all for reworking the cue if it is in danger of further damage, or just is plain screwed up..

However there is a huge mistake by not separating the mint all originals with values exceeding 50-75% or more, over their restored counterparts.

For Example ONLY:
Titlist Balabushka, standard 1 1/2" delrin butt cap, plain or window style, Cortland wrap, etc.. 2 Bushka shafts, 12.7MM, expected condition 70-75%. Now this cue would have a value of lets say 6500.00

Now lets say you stumble across a mint 95% 13mm, original finish, excellent condition, no wrap discoloration PROVEN example.. whats that worth? Better yet based on rarity of the model AND the condition, this cue should probably be a 13k cue. Out of 12-14 hundred, how many do you think survived in this kind of shape?

Adversely, a cue that has been rewrapped, two new NON original shafts, (None original to the cue included) refinished.. DOESN'T MATTER WHO DID THE WORK... This is a $4k - 4.5k cue... why? It could be argued that the playabilty of Balabushka is in the shafts? So what are you getting? You're only really getting half a Bushka.

The other reason that the separations needs to be there, is that someone that can't afford the 13k version, but could swing the 4k version, till he saved his money for the better piece, these people are needed collectors, and are introductory collectors that can't get in because of the current mindset.

By the market saying every restored piece is worth as much as the original, kills it, period. There is no reason to seek out the mint all originals. Just get any old piece of sh*t , send it to Sherbine and now you got your 8K cue.

I think any future blue book would need to address this is great detail to help the hobby grow.

Just MHO...

BTW any refinished guitar.. starts at HALF value of the all original. That is a pretty hard rule of thumb and its in the Vintage Guitar Guides main section.

Joe