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If a location puts itself out there they run APA handicap tournaments, as a side note I tried finding definitive APA rules without any luck, and this is a 9 ball tournament.

How are handicaps suppose to be established for new incoming players to the particular house that have not played before in an APA tournament?

After a period of time what is suppose to be the process in place for a person to either go up or down in a handicap system to either show progress or the lack of progress and have the number changed to reflect the persons current status point with the system?

Should the tournament Directors sole opinion be the deciding factor in deciding a persons handicap?


If we can start with these then add more minutiae as it is presented through out the conversation would be grateful.
 
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I saw a place run an APA event and it was as smooth as it could be. They
didn't allow anyone in without them having an established APA handicap. They
checked the player database the day of signups and they took early registrations so
they could verify ahead of time.

The players loved it and there were 28 teams that showed up for the first event
because most of the APA league operators in the state and adjoining states
approved of it because it was for their people. Not everyone can go to Vegas and
this was a big APA get together which made folks happy overall. This was done at
Chandley Chalk and Cue in Statesville, NC which has since closed. They couldn't
understand how to run anything more than once and do well with it however this type
of thing was very popular and a real money maker for the huge room but they were
scared of running out of stuff and they overstocked. This way the windfall they
needed never happened. They had stock on the shelves but they needed Profit on
Monday morning that never really happened.

Running APA events is a great concept if you can figure all that out. It's not impossible but you can't let everyone in or I see disaster.




Ron Padilla said:
If a location puts itself out there they run APA handicap tournaments, as a side note I tried finding definitive APA rules without any luck, and this is a 9 ball tournament.

How are handicaps suppose to be established for new incoming players to the particular house that have not played before in an APA tournament?

After a period of time what is suppose to be the process in place for a person to either go up or down in a handicap system to either show progress or the lack of progress and have the number changed to reflect the persons current status point with the system?

Should the tournament Directors sole opinion be the deciding factor in deciding a persons handicap?


If we can start with these then add more minutiae as it is presented through out the conversation would be grateful.
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rehashing an old subject APA tournaments

Thanks for the response, however I don't see where you addressed any of the points that were asking to be addressed, and this is not a major tournament but a weekly local tournament, still hoping that there will be more responses.
 

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APA has a way, a system for entering match scores from a handicapped tournament?
Even more important, does apa take new members not being part of any team,
as an individual wanting to compete, get established ranking for handicap tournament play only?
 
Dan_B said:
APA has a way, a system for entering match scores from a handicapped tournament?
Even more important, does apa take new members not being part of any team,
as an individual wanting to compete, get established ranking for handicap tournament play only?
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That is a good question and needs an answer, If someone has been playing for months and never been informed that it is recommended they join the APA then how would someone compete outside of the room he has been currently playing in. Or is it that if a person isn't informed about joining is way to keep him from being a part of that team so that only those in the click for the room get to participate in the larger events?
I didn't read all of the reasons that a law suit has been brought to bear on the APA, but could it be for this very reason that they exercise excluding those they don't want over those that are part of a click?
 
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Maybe I should have chosen a different comment, I did not find in my quick search there method of records keeping so that the question that might be asked about either raising or lowering someone's rating can be answered! When I was working my way through school I had to file some paperwork with a court, and the clerk was asking if she could look for a file, she pointed out that she was not going to get up and go over to a filing cabinet to locate the file and that it was to much work! It was just plain laziness and the could the same be said for asking for a rate adjustment or could it be that is a person were truly rated properly it might keep one of the good ol boys out of the money and let some else win?
 
Ron Padilla said:
That is a good question and needs an answer, If someone has been playing for months and never been informed that it is recommended they join the APA then how would someone compete outside of the room he has been currently playing in. Or is it that if a person isn't informed about joining is way to keep him from being a part of that team so that only those in the click for the room get to participate in the larger events?
I didn't read all of the reasons that a law suit has been brought to bear on the APA, but could it be for this very reason that they exercise excluding those they don't want over those that are part of a click?
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Don't know what lawsuit you are talking about, but I have not heard the APA excluding people outside of not allowing non-APA players to play in APA events. Which makes sense to me, if a tournament is sanctioned and is organized with maybe added money by a group that has membership requirements, don't see why not allowing someone to play that is not part of that group would be an issue. I have never seen anyone banned from a league outside of behavior issues, not because they were not in some cool kids group.

I can't really sort out your question about competing in other rooms or having to join the APA for whatever reason. If the tournament is ran by the APA, then join the APA if you want to play in it. If it's not, you don't have to.

As in the other thread you started, the answers here don't matter, what matters is what this local tournament you want to play in does. Is it an APA league tournament or just a tournament run by APA rules and uses their handicap levels? You can be assigned an "APA handicap" based on known ability easily. I have played in tournaments where most players were local and in the APA, they asked what rating I had, I just tell them "I am a B+, I play about even with that guy on that table there, so what he is, I would be".

There are plenty of players and plenty of comparison charts that can be used to assign a handicap under any number of systems, as long as you are honest with your ability and the players in the room are not trying to protect the locals.

There is also an official APA rule book you can find on their web site since you were asking about the rules. Generally APA rules means no called shot except the 8 ball in 8 ball and they may want you to make the 8 ball pocket. That is how yokels get their kicks in the game, no other ball matters but you better not make an 8 ball 1 inch from the pocket without marking it with a 4 foot neon sign for them or they will hoot and holler and jump around like monkeys yelling that you just lost.
 
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