Relevancy, the WPA and Government Funding

FranCrimi

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This is what I mean by the relevency of the WPA and various countries getting government funding by being part of the Olympic grid that the WPA provides. Do the math here: $750 in entry fees for 128 players only amounts to $96,000. The prize fund is announced as $300,000. That does not include the cost of organizing the event, which, who knows what that cost is? I may be low-balling it as another $50,000. This is not chump change.

P.S. Sorry --- can't seem to eliminate the extra spaces in this copy and paste.

2023 WPA Qatar Open 9-Ball Championships​
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Event: 2023 Qatar Open

Date: (Stage 2) October 4th - 10th, 2023
Players Meeting: October 3rd
Location: Doha, Qatar
Venue: Ezdan Palace Hotel
Rules: World-Standardized Rules
Entry Fee: $750.00
Group Round: 128 Players : Double Elimination : Race To 9
Play-Off Round: 32 Players : Single Elimination : Race To 11
Prize Fund: $300,000.00

Click here to download and review the Qatar Open Player Packet.

Billiard Congress of America Spots Available: The Billiard Congress of America has 6 Male allocations (4 USA, 2 CAN). All players receiving a BCA allocation must be members of the Billiard Congress of America.

If you are interested in competing in the Qatar Open, please contact BCA Player Representative Ed Liddawi at edliddawi@gmail.com. The Billiard Congress of America will select players based on BCA Rankings and who have expressed their interest to us by Saturday, August 26, 2023.

All players competing in this event must hold a 2023 WPA Player License.​
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Can you provide some context?

Its a good thing when prize funds arent comprised of mainly entry fees (I agree?).
 
Sure, but the question is what type of work does the WPA need to do to maintain that position. What role do they play in securing those funds each and every time? And shouldn’t the objective be to sustain the game through private sponsorships and not government funding? And if that is the case, perhaps the Olympic efforts may be better spent elsewhere.
 
Sure, but the question is what type of work does the WPA need to do to maintain that position. What role do they play in securing those funds each and every time? And shouldn’t the objective be to sustain the game through private sponsorships and not government funding? And if that is the case, perhaps the Olympic efforts may be better spent elsewhere.

I think that’s the right question. Is having a good tournament in Qatar worth the negative of the WPA the rest of the year?
 
Which governments funded what?
Private sponsorship?
Player salaries?
Per diem?
What does a WPA license do for a player?

Why should anyone care?
 
I think that’s the right question. Is having a good tournament in Qatar worth the negative of the WPA the rest of the year?
That's just one example. There have been numerous events held by various countries over the past 10-15 years that had prize funds like this with added money coming from the host country's government. I can assure you that it's true since I was a WPA board member for nearly 4 years. I'm not saying the WPA is without it's problems ---- it's not a perfect organization, but when I mentioned that due to their existance, other countries are able to get government funding, people questioned how much. Over the years it has amounted to millions that was paid out to the players in added money.
 
That's just one example. There have been numerous events held by various countries over the past 10-15 years that had prize funds like this with added money coming from the host country's government. I can assure you that it's true since I was a WPA board member for nearly 4 years. I'm not saying the WPA is without it's problems ---- it's not a perfect organization, but when I mentioned that due to their existance, other countries are able to get government funding, people questioned how much. Over the years it has amounted to millions that was paid out to the players in added money.

Thanks. It would be good for the WPA to be transparent and publicize those successes. I was only aware of a handful of tournaments recently held in the Middle East.
 
I have New York Public Library access to a nytimes database.

Summary: WPA provides Olympic pathway for known players in the federation.

To answer OP: Missing money is sponsorship losses. How good are the WPA sponsorship deals?

THE GAMES OLYMPIC ATHLETES MUST PLAY FOR MONEY​

Weinberg, Herb
Herb Weinberg writes extensively on physical fitness and the Olympic Game

New York Times
Late Edition (East Coast); New York, N.Y. [New York, N.Y]. 08 Nov 1981: A.2.



The action expanded on the present rules and sanctified what had already been applied by several federations on their own. The I.O.C. will collect each set of rules, and if those rules set within certain broad limits (no prize money) athletes can receive liberal, though not unlimited, subsidization while training and competing.


The wisdom of allowing each federation to establish its own requirement lies in the diversity of fund-raising capability within amateur sporting federations. In the United States the ski team organizers are the best at funding, raising about $2 million through corporate sponsorships and city-organized fund-raisers each year to cover a $1.7 million budget. Gymnastics, basketball or figure skating events can fill arenas to collect the concomitant gate and television receipts.


However, less popular sports, such as fencing, have very little fund-raising capacity with which they can add to the relatively inadequate $100,000 or less they receive each year from the United States Olympic Committee. Before the U.S.O.C. money was made available a few years ago, the fencers who went to international championships were not necessarily our national champions but were those who could afford to pay most of their own way abroad.
If, however, the fencers develop the knack of money-raising, they can make rule changes that would allow their federation to support promising athletes. They could subsidize fencers - within reason - or reimburse them for salary lost while being away from their jobs to train and compete. The ban on professional coaching jobs by athletes can be removed.


A track and field athlete, for example, will be able to collect a fee for appearing at an event, a fee that may well be in excess of his actual expenses. The catch, if it is that, lies in the requirement that monies collected by an amateur must be given to his federation for distribution as it sees fit, including what is dispensed to the collecting athlete and to others. None of this can be prize money. The athlete may appear in advertisements and make commercial endorsements; but it must be the federation that enters into the contract and collects the monies, not the athlete.


New rules could also find a small percentage of what a competitor raises put into a trust fund in his name to be collected when he retires from competition.


An amateur athlete, therefore, through present and proposed rules, need not be poverty stricken nor need he be required to make excessive sacrifices to remain eligible for the Olympic Games.


The means is there, or will be there, for an amateur to be reasonably and comfortably financed during his competitive days. It will be up to the I.O.C. and the federations to see that the system is not abused with gimmickry, such as an athlete attempting to use his federation merely to accept, launder and return huge sums of money he may be able to pick up.


Through this system, no one is going to get rich nor is anyone going to be paid a salary for a token job; and at the same time no athlete need take advantage of food stamps to survive as has been the case with noted American athletes. For the most part, the rationale has been removed for an amateur to say he must cheat in order to survive.

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All players competing in this event must hold a 2023 WPA Player License.
Not heard of a player license before.

I accept that under the conditions of this License, I will not participate in any pool event that is not sanctioned by the WPA if the conditions of the event meet the WPA sanctioning criteria as described in the WPA Sanctioning Catalogue that is available on the WPA website,

https://wpapool.com/wpa-player-license-agreement/
 
Not heard of a player license before.

I accept that under the conditions of this License, I will not participate in any pool event that is not sanctioned by the WPA if the conditions of the event meet the WPA sanctioning criteria as described in the WPA Sanctioning Catalogue that is available on the WPA website,

https://wpapool.com/wpa-player-license-agreement/
Sounds like it should come with a tube of lube
 
Not heard of a player license before.

I accept that under the conditions of this License, I will not participate in any pool event that is not sanctioned by the WPA if the conditions of the event meet the WPA sanctioning criteria as described in the WPA Sanctioning Catalogue that is available on the WPA website,

https://wpapool.com/wpa-player-license-agreement/

well, here we go. players are already choosing MR/wnt over WPA, this is just going to worsen the situation. do they think a combination of prohibitive measures and dictatorship-funded asian events will change this? it's not a good look either way
 
Thanks. It would be good for the WPA to be transparent and publicize those successes. I was only aware of a handful of tournaments recently held in the Middle East.
Yes, it's more than just the Middle East. It's actually been out there for everybody to see over the years if they just paid attention to the WPA calendar and did the math on the events. There's no way some of those countries could raise that kind of added money without government help. As far as telling the world, other than announcing the total added amount, the details on added money are really between the individual country and its government and event sponsors. The WPA really can't and shouldn't be making announcements about it in that regard.
 
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The WPA is supporting the Qatar Billiard Federation. Financially the relationship looks reverse, Qatar is paying the WPA to import its pro roster to influence a future generation of Arab players.

Official government relationships to sports organizations will be part of sports history.

Qatar Federation has a national youth sports program. The WPA is the best place to go if a government wants to start a national billiard sports team.

If the WPA had additional funding to pursue domestic sports sanctioning at the collegiate level it will provide visas for students/players interested in studying in America.

Is it possible if as national billiard sports teams are developed globally, to also pursue college sanctioning? Is the WPA saying to Qatar, after you have a national team, can you develop a collegiate team? Collegiate sports is a new area of investment for foreign countries.

Foreign sports federations have influence in the American higher education sports landscape.
 
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The WPA is supporting the Qatar Billiard Federation. Financially the relationship looks reverse, Qatar is paying the WPA to import its pro roster to influence a future generation of Arab players.

Official government relationships to sports organizations will be part of sports history.

Qatar Federation has a national youth sports program. The WPA is the best place to go if a government wants to start a national billiard sports team.

If the WPA had additional funding to pursue domestic sports sanctioning at the collegiate level it will provide visas for students/players interested in studying in America.

Is it possible if as national billiard sports teams are developed globally, to also pursue college sanctioning? Is the WPA saying to Qatar, after you have a national team, can you develop a collegiate team? Collegiate sports is a new area of investment for foreign countries.

Foreign sports federations have influence in the American higher education sports landscape.
Great idea about forming a collegiate program. That sounds like a great project for the WPA to take on.

As far as Qatar paying the WPA to import it's pro roster, I'm not sure what you mean but here's how it works. The host organizer does get a couple of extra wild card spots, and also gets to hold a few qualifiers in their country, but that's pretty much it. Each Continental Fedearation is entitled to a quota of spots in any WPA Sanctioned event. Qatar will get exposure for their federation, though.

As you can see in the notice I copied and pasted, for example: The U.S. is given a quota of 4 spots plus 2 spots for Canada for this event.
 
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Great idea about forming a collegiate program. That sounds like a great project for the WPA to take on.

As far as Qatar paying the WPA to import it's pro roster, I'm not sure what you mean but here's how it works. The host organizer does get a couple of extra wild card spots, and also gets to hold a few qualifiers in their country, but that's pretty much it. Each Continental Fedearation is entitled to a quota of spots in any WPA Sanctioned event. Qatar will get exposure for their federation, though.

As you can see in the notice I copied and pasted, for example: The U.S. is given a quota of 4 spots plus 2 spots for Canada for this event.

Thanks for explaining to a new person. I appreciate your professionalism.

Import pro roster I meant to say provide visa for the prospective pool athletes into the host country.
 
Thanks for explaining to a new person. I appreciate your professionalism.

Import pro roster I meant to say provide visa for the prospective pool athletes into the host country.
Sure. Yes, about the visas, it's all very organized. Each continental federation will provide a list of names of participants to the organizer who will in turn, send invitations to the players through their federations. The invitations will then enable the players to obtain visas and help them enter the country through customs.

So for example: The BCA will send a list of 6 names for the U.S. and Canada who will be participating in the tournament and the organizer will send invitations to them through the BCA.
 
Sure. Yes, about the visas, it's all very organized. Each continental federation will provide a list of names of participants to the organizer who will in turn, send invitations to the players through their federations. The invitations will then enable the players to obtain visas and help them enter the country through customs.

So for example: The BCA will send a list of 6 names for the U.S. and Canada who will be participating in the tournament and the organizer will send invitations to them through the BCA.

The WPA has left certain actions open. Funding for travel and boarding for Doha is not the same from each federation.

WPA can create language to make the travel and board for players reduced. Qatar is not a place to be on a low to middle income budget.

If an international college program existed then it would be easier to coordinate with local areas. College sports programs are great at finding cost efficiencies for sports federations. Those efficiencies can benefit long term strategic goals.
 
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