Replacing Formica on Gold Crown Rails

Have fun Mark!

I love what I am doing and so do my clients. That is the best part of what I am doing!

I am done wasting my time responding to all of this:

HAVE FUN MARK :)


Trent from Toledo
 
The original frame is used and painted flat black....as the bottoms of the slates are flat black.
Those tables are old and smell....you can clean and clean.....but it's a waste of time. Everything is stained...painted...or buffed.
The frame supports are added to support the slates...rails and blinds.
I install them before the frame is sanded and painted.....fit them glue and screw the supports on the frame.
The slates get blocked for flatness....makes leveling so much easier....and the table rolls great...but the slates don't need jacked up with shims.
If I was buying something from anyone that they call restored......I would think everything on the table has been restored.....at worst....back to oringal....I see cars getting restored.....they don't miss anything....and they're better than when they came from the factory......in fact there awesome.
That's what I think people should get when they buy a table from me.just because some of the customers can't play pool very well......don't mean they shouldn't get a great playing table.
I don't sell table for looks....I have a price that includes COMPLETE restoration.
Who knows....just cause the guy buying the table don't play......maybe one day he's showing his table off and that someone he's showing can really play.....be really sad if the guy said great looking table.....but it plays like shit.
Mark Gregory

Mark, you seem to do excellent quality work. I don't think anyone would question that.. Your prices may be high, but high quality work is not cheap.. Again, I don't think anyone would question that. It is unfortunate, though, that you contribute useful information to this forum, only when you are degrading another mechanic.

In this case, you gave Trent a hard time about promoting his work, for showing off work that he is proud of. You promote your own work, in every single post you make.. Anytime you respond to a question, it is to insist that the person should have you do the work, but you are so reluctant to actually offer any information.

I'll admit, I'm a fan of your work.. But, your personality sucks. Your huge ego reflects in your incredibly arrogant posts. You are solely responsible for the largest number of mechanics leaving this forum, than anyone else in the last several years. Sure, Glen chased off a couple.. But most of that was do to general personality conflicts. And besides, Glen was a key contributor to the forum. You, on the other hand, have been a bully on this forum, and have simply run off a number of decent mechanics. You're too afraid of "secrets" getting out, which may cost you business... Please...

Though I am capable of modifying subrails, to a reasonable degree of accuracy, I still suggest your services to my customers, because it would save me a lot of hassle. However, I will not be the middle man, should they choose to have you do the work. The simple reason: because you're too much of an arrogant ***** for my liking. I would not spend a dime on your services, not because it wouldn't be worth it, but because I don't like your piss poor attitude.

I wouldn't buy a cup of water from you, if I were on fire.

When you're the last one left on this forum, which seems to be what you want, you can wonder why it's so lonely.
 
Mark, you seem to do excellent quality work. I don't think anyone would question that.. Your prices may be high, but high quality work is not cheap.. Again, I don't think anyone would question that. It is unfortunate, though, that you contribute useful information to this forum, only when you are degrading another mechanic.

In this case, you gave Trent a hard time about promoting his work, for showing off work that he is proud of. You promote your own work, in every single post you make.. Anytime you respond to a question, it is to insist that the person should have you do the work, but you are so reluctant to actually offer any information.

I'll admit, I'm a fan of your work.. But, your personality sucks. Your huge ego reflects in your incredibly arrogant posts. You are solely responsible for the largest number of mechanics leaving this forum, than anyone else in the last several years. Sure, Glen chased off a couple.. But most of that was do to general personality conflicts. And besides, Glen was a key contributor to the forum. You, on the other hand, have been a bully on this forum, and have simply run off a number of decent mechanics. You're too afraid of "secrets" getting out, which may cost you business... Please...

Though I am capable of modifying subrails, to a reasonable degree of accuracy, I still suggest your services to my customers, because it would save me a lot of hassle. However, I will not be the middle man, should they choose to have you do the work. The simple reason: because you're too much of an arrogant ***** for my liking. I would not spend a dime on your services, not because it wouldn't be worth it, but because I don't like your piss poor attitude.

I wouldn't buy a cup of water from you, if I were on fire.

When you're the last one left on this forum, which seems to be what you want, you can wonder why it's so lonely.

Really??? :rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:
 
Yes, really.. Perhaps you wouldn't mind elaborating on what you disagree with.

Sure...Mark has done more for this industry than just about anybody here on this forum. He calls out bullshit when bullshit needs to be called out. A little brash with some of his posts but he speaks nothing but the truth. I personally have a different approach. I just try and ignore it. My reply to yours was a simple I disagree with a little flair..:smile:
 
Hahahhahaha

Sure...Mark has done more for this industry than just about anybody here on this forum. He calls out bullshit when bullshit needs to be called out. A little brash with some of his posts but he speaks nothing but the truth. I personally have a different approach. I just try and ignore it. My reply to yours was a simple I disagree with a little flair..:smile:


Pat, its ok. I know since the A-Team post you had to dig up from 4 months ago that you care so much ! Headed to the pool hall to play on a Gold Crown and SKATEBOARDING TOMORROW :)

Trent from Toledo
 
I agree with you on that. He does call out bullshit, when he sees it. I can appreciate that.

But, I guess I thought it to be incredibly hypocritical to call out someone for self promotion, when every single one of his posts is loaded with self promotion, while always degrading the work of others.

I guess brash is a good way to refer to Mark. Like you, Pat, I like to do things a little differently. A little humility goes a long way...
 
Pat, its ok. I know since the A-Team post you had to dig up from 4 months ago that you care so much ! Headed to the pool hall to play on a Gold Crown and SKATEBOARDING TOMORROW :)

Trent from Toledo

Make sure you wear hemet and pads...Skatboarding is dangerous..You need to set an example for the youth of today!
 
I agree with you on that. He does call out bullshit, when he sees it. I can appreciate that.

But, I guess I thought it to be incredibly hypocritical to call out someone for self promotion, when every single one of his posts is loaded with self promotion, while always degrading the work of others.

I guess brash is a good way to refer to Mark. Like you, Pat, I like to do things a little differently. A little humility goes a long way...

I'm sorry you feel the need to be ugly to me and not even know me....but I understand.
I don't self promote anything other than my work on the tables....with everyone should do and have done....cause to customers don't know if your any good or not at what you do.....on the other hand I'm calling Trent out for promoting table sells....never do I call out someone showing their work.
The job speaks for it's self. Glen as well as myself have told everyone to promote their WORK.....not promote their inventory that they have for sell....we all have tables for sell....should we all post up are inventory.
Maybe you should reread the thread and maybe you won't attack me.
Look if your a good mechanic and do good work....post up and show your work is all anyone has ever said.
If your only and installer....post the set up....nothing wrong with that.
You don't know the story of how I get calls about Trent on the phone knocking me as well as others to promote a sell.
im not here tone unfriendly to you or put you down....you ask about formica and I turned you on to Jerimy Chambers....where was I wrong....then steps in Trent.....go back and read it and show me where I was wrong in my first post.
And I never made so called mechanics stop posting....they stopped cause they could no longer get the answer from Glen....or have Glen post first and agree with what Glen just said.....again where am I wrong.
Show me where I blasted anyone on here other than people offering rail work that their not capable of doing...and just trying to get paid....I can say that cause I've receiverd the calls from the customers after the work was done and poorly.
If you knew the truth about how guys are taking jobs they can't do so they can get paid....it's brutal.
I'm not a bully....I give back to this industry more than I'll ever get back....I have a set of 6 x 12 antique snooker rails from England....the guy wants k55 cushions on the snooker table but wants to keep it a snooker table....I tried 2 different sets of sub rails....spoke with Jerimy about the table....he said he's done one before and can do it for me....now I have lost the money in meterials I've already use.....have to ship them to Jerimy to have him do them.....then pay for the shipping back to the customer....and pay Jerimy for doing the rails.
I spoke with the customer and told him I cant do the job the aright way where I would be satisfied sending them back to you....so I'm sending them to my friend to have them done right....why because it's not about the money....it's about giving the guy the job he's paying for.
So before you talk down to someone....maybe you should take with them and get their side of the story.....not going by what you think you know.
Now the next time you ask a question on here....I promise I won't try and give you any help.....as you already made it clear you don't need me for shit....get your info from guys that are guessing.
I'm not up set....I just tell the truth...and I don't sugarcoat anything.
That's just me
Good luck
Mark Gregory
 
I'm sorry you feel the need to be ugly to me and not even know me....but I understand.
I don't self promote anything other than my work on the tables....with everyone should do and have done....cause to customers don't know if your any good or not at what you do.....on the other hand I'm calling Trent out for promoting table sells....never do I call out someone showing their work.
The job speaks for it's self. Glen as well as myself have told everyone to promote their WORK.....not promote their inventory that they have for sell....we all have tables for sell....should we all post up are inventory.
Maybe you should reread the thread and maybe you won't attack me.
Look if your a good mechanic and do good work....post up and show your work is all anyone has ever said.
If your only and installer....post the set up....nothing wrong with that.
You don't know the story of how I get calls about Trent on the phone knocking me as well as others to promote a sell.
im not here tone unfriendly to you or put you down....you ask about formica and I turned you on to Jerimy Chambers....where was I wrong....then steps in Trent.....go back and read it and show me where I was wrong in my first post.
And I never made so called mechanics stop posting....they stopped cause they could no longer get the answer from Glen....or have Glen post first and agree with what Glen just said.....again where am I wrong.
Show me where I blasted anyone on here other than people offering rail work that their not capable of doing...and just trying to get paid....I can say that cause I've receiverd the calls from the customers after the work was done and poorly.
If you knew the truth about how guys are taking jobs they can't do so they can get paid....it's brutal.
I'm not a bully....I give back to this industry more than I'll ever get back....I have a set of 6 x 12 antique snooker rails from England....the guy wants k55 cushions on the snooker table but wants to keep it a snooker table....I tried 2 different sets of sub rails....spoke with Jerimy about the table....he said he's done one before and can do it for me....now I have lost the money in meterials I've already use.....have to ship them to Jerimy to have him do them.....then pay for the shipping back to the customer....and pay Jerimy for doing the rails.
I spoke with the customer and told him I cant do the job the aright way where I would be satisfied sending them back to you....so I'm sending them to my friend to have them done right....why because it's not about the money....it's about giving the guy the job he's paying for.
So before you talk down to someone....maybe you should take with them and get their side of the story.....not going by what you think you know.
Now the next time you ask a question on here....I promise I won't try and give you any help.....as you already made it clear you don't need me for shit....get your info from guys that are guessing.
I'm not up set....I just tell the truth...and I don't sugarcoat anything.
That's just me
Good luck
Mark Gregory

Mark, I truly appreciate you taking the time to make this post. Perhaps I was wrong, in my assessment of what was going on.. I don't know. I've seen you take a condescending tone with a number of posters, and it has always rubbed me a bit wrong. Perhaps I don't know the back story, as you suggested, and for that, I apologize for jumping to conclusions. I've never been a fan of dick-wagging contests, so I don't see the need to show off accomplishments. I wasn't aware of the history between you and Trent, so again, I guess I jumped to conclusions..

Maybe I'm just having a bad day.. My apologies to you Mark, and anyone else that I may have offended.

On the other hand, I did contact you about a year ago, asking for advice on something I was working on.. I'm not knocking the solution that you gave, but it has always kind of overshadowed my opinion of you..

I was attempting to convert a set of billiard rails over to pocket table rails, on a 10' Gold Crown. You didn't want to offer up any information, but insisted that the best thing that I could do was send the rails to you. I can't say that I blame you for that.. Really, who the hell was I, to be calling for advice on such an in-depth project. However, I guess I didn't see it that way at the time.. I always thought, "what if I asked him for ways to better pleasure my wife? Would he tell me I should send her over to him?"

So, I hope you have an understanding of my thought process, regarding your attitude. I may have been wrong to think that way, and for that I apologize.

I began doing this work, because there wasn't anyone else in my area that is capable of doing high quality work. I began working on only friend's tables. I never wanted to do work for the general public, but my name started getting around. I've always said, if I could just do one table job per month, whether setup or recovery, I would be happy. However, I've been doing at least one per weekend, sometimes more through the week, for the past few months. Honestly, I'm getting tired, but I enjoy the experience. I've never claimed to be a top-notch mechanic, but I have been called the best in the area. This is a title that I never wanted, and I don't like to accept. Fact is, there aren't many mechanics in my area. I would never quit my day job to do this work, but I do have a passion for it, and I perform every job, as if it were my own table. I hope this gives you more of an understanding of who I am, as a mechanic.

And again, I apologize that we got off on the wrong foot. I suppose I have a difficult time dealing with large egos. I understand all that you have done for the industry. As I said, I am a fan of your work.. I can't blame you for having a big ego. I know that it's up to the rest of us to accept it. I don't mean that in a negative way at all.. I just lost my cool earlier. So, again, I apologize.

I don't want you, or anyone else, to think that I'm kissing your ass, now that you called me out.. That's not my style. However, I am never afraid to admit that I was wrong.
 
History.....

Mark, who is calling you saying I am "Knocking" you??? I am 21 and free to have an opinion of my own about anyone I want. If someone asks me about you: yup he does great work , but, he is arrogant and a jerk most of the time. :)
You do talk trash about everyone's work besides your own and that is clear in most of your posts. You are the most self promoting person that posts on here....... :)

Trent from Toledo
 
Mark, who is calling you saying I am "Knocking" you??? I am 21 and free to have an opinion of my own about anyone I want. If someone asks me about you: yup he does great work , but, he is arrogant and a jerk most of the time. :)
You do talk trash about everyone's work besides your own and that is clear in most of your posts. You are the most self promoting person that posts on here....... :)

Trent from Toledo
You don't know me or anything about me....and your right I promote the work I do....and encourage anyone to show their work as well.
That's how you get a reputation on knowing what your doing and showing others what you know....what's wrong with that.
You use it for selling tables and showing inventory of tables....show your work you do and I won't say anything.
That's right you don't do the work.....you sell the table.
This forum is TALK TO A MECHANIC.....not tables are us...questions for people having problems with the table...not people looking to buy a table.
I guess I'm wrong again....

Mark Gregory
 
Wrong again.

The only work I do not do is the veneering & laminate and powdercoating.
It all good Mark. I am happy with what I am doing and so are my clients. All of the tables in my photo album

http://forums.azbilliards.com/album.php?albumid=1481

are all finished projects in my clients homes. :) None of them are for sale.

You keep reverting back to this "You use it for selling tables and showing inventory of tables" is absolutely false. I have not sold a single table via this forum since the day I joined. Again, the only table I have sold was in the for sale section :) SO yeah , you are wrong again. Your attempts to belittle me and shoot me down will do nothing to my business. I am very happy with my business, it keeps growing every year and I make good money. :)

Trent from Toledo
 
Mark, I truly appreciate you taking the time to make this post. Perhaps I was wrong, in my assessment of what was going on.. I don't know. I've seen you take a condescending tone with a number of posters, and it has always rubbed me a bit wrong. Perhaps I don't know the back story, as you suggested, and for that, I apologize for jumping to conclusions. I've never been a fan of dick-wagging contests, so I don't see the need to show off accomplishments. I wasn't aware of the history between you and Trent, so again, I guess I jumped to conclusions..

Maybe I'm just having a bad day.. My apologies to you Mark, and anyone else that I may have offended.

On the other hand, I did contact you about a year ago, asking for advice on something I was working on.. I'm not knocking the solution that you gave, but it has always kind of overshadowed my opinion of you..

I was attempting to convert a set of billiard rails over to pocket table rails, on a 10' Gold Crown. You didn't want to offer up any information, but insisted that the best thing that I could do was send the rails to you. I can't say that I blame you for that.. Really, who the hell was I, to be calling for advice on such an in-depth project. However, I guess I didn't see it that way at the time.. I always thought, "what if I asked him for ways to better pleasure my wife? Would he tell me I should send her over to him?"

So, I hope you have an understanding of my thought process, regarding your attitude. I may have been wrong to think that way, and for that I apologize.

I began doing this work, because there wasn't anyone else in my area that is capable of doing high quality work. I began working on only friend's tables. I never wanted to do work for the general public, but my name started getting around. I've always said, if I could just do one table job per month, whether setup or recovery, I would be happy. However, I've been doing at least one per weekend, sometimes more through the week, for the past few months. Honestly, I'm getting tired, but I enjoy the experience. I've never claimed to be a top-notch mechanic, but I have been called the best in the area. This is a title that I never wanted, and I don't like to accept. Fact is, there aren't many mechanics in my area. I would never quit my day job to do this work, but I do have a passion for it, and I perform every job, as if it were my own table. I hope this gives you more of an understanding of who I am, as a mechanic.

And again, I apologize that we got off on the wrong foot. I suppose I have a difficult time dealing with large egos. I understand all that you have done for the industry. As I said, I am a fan of your work.. I can't blame you for having a big ego. I know that it's up to the rest of us to accept it. I don't mean that in a negative way at all.. I just lost my cool earlier. So, again, I apologize.

I don't want you, or anyone else, to think that I'm kissing your ass, now that you called me out.. That's not my style. However, I am never afraid to admit that I was wrong.

Thank you for the great post...and I never ment any disrespect to you in any way.....but I get a lot of calls about people wanting to do their own rails....I've given people the specs...told them if their not looking for a good job and want to save money...go ahead and do you own.
They say they really don't care if the table plays perfect...they just don't have the money....and I've sent them parts for free....gave them all the info to get them in the right directions.
As far as the conversation with you...I do recall it....and I'm sorry if you thought I was being a smart as......but trust me doing sub rail work is one thing...and you could do and do it well enough vet time...but to convert the snooker to pool is a different job all together.
Trust me....I can't tell you how many I screwed up before I started to understand how to get it right.
Glen will tell you the same thing....just like I posted....the snooker antique 12' table rails are going to Jerimy.....I don't have the time right now to knock my head against the wall for the next 2 weeks messing with them.
Sometimes you just have to say when....and if you knew me...you would not think I'm and ego maniac...Im just loud and talk a lot.
Pat wil tell you the truth...he knows me well.
Again thank you...you a big man in my book to admit a miss judgement.
I help you any way I can....I'm not the guy Trent is making me out to be....not even close....but you have to give Trent credit....And I thought Glen was good on the computer..lol
Mark Gregory
 
Where are we today. How about replacing/refinishing formica on a Cent. Can the formica be replaced. Can an original hi gloss lacquered rail be refinished to a pristine look or replaced. Full restoration or replacement including cushions.
 
Where are we today. How about replacing/refinishing formica on a Cent. Can the formica be replaced. Can an original hi gloss lacquered rail be refinished to a pristine look or replaced. Full restoration or replacement including cushions.
The best bet, would be to contact Mark Gregory about getting a replacement set of rails. He builds his own rails, completely new, and looking incredible. Awesome product!
 
The best bet, would be to contact Mark Gregory about getting a replacement set of rails. He builds his own rails, completely new, and looking incredible. Awesome product!
I realize there is no substitute for talking to Mark directly but would like to hear from people that dealt with Mark. What did he do for you.... PM please.
 
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