REVIEW - Predator BK and Stealth Jump cue vs. Sledgehammer

AuntyDan

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I have used a Predator BK break cue and a Stealth Jump cue (SJ from now on) for about 2 years now. (The SJ is the jump-only model designed by custom cue builder Ned Morris I believe) A friend of mine recently purchased a Sledgehammer (SH from now on) so I had a chance to try a direct comparison between them for an evening. I'll break it down into sections:

OVERALL BUILD QUALITY AND APPEARANCE:
The SH was a basic model with no ringwork, stained brown (presumably) maple forearm and a black linen wrap. As with all SH models it has a large radial-style main joint pin and a short quick-release (Non UniLoc) joint in the handle for the jump section. Everything on the SH was nicely put together. The wrap felt just right to me, not too slick and not too rough. It is also very intelligently extended almost all the way to the end of the butt, as many people break with their grip hand almost on the end, and you can get it with no wrap if you prefer as well. The QR joint handled well and did loosen at any stage during the session. The Sledgehammer logo is written in white on the butt cap, which I think looks good, albeit with an industrial engineering look to it.
The BK model I have is wrapless and has a (presumably) maple butt stained black. (If you hold it up in strong sunlight you can see the stain, although in all other normal lighting it looks solid black) It has a large yellow Predator decal logo on the butt that I personally find garish, so much so I have contemplated having a cue mechanic refinish the butt just to get rid of it. There is also a yellow "314" logo on the shaft joint collar. The BK has a Uni-Loc Quick Release joint, but it does not seem as well finished/polished as the Uni-Loc used on my Dale Perry playing cue. I find I need to reverse turn the joint a half turn or so to get it lined up just right when assembling due to the very close fit between the pin and the insert in the shaft. This extra turn seems to defeat the time saving when assembling, but it does come apart very quickly. The BK appears to have black phenolic around the joint collar, and on the butt it is not flush, that is there is a slightly chamfered lip around the butt joint face. The shaft joint collar is also black phenolic and cut perfectly square. When assembled the chamfer on the butt causes a small but noticeable groove in the joint area, and this is slightly rough which has on occasion led to scratches on my bridge-hand knuckle when using a "pro" rail bridge with the thumb tucked in alongside the shaft. It has been like this from new, as was another BK I have seen. The BK's joint needs a noticeable extra hard turn to get it fully locked down. I find after the first break I can tighten it a bit more, after which it is fine for the rest of the session. It also takes a bit more strength to break it down after doing this.
My BK has no wrap, but the model with it has it in the standard position, so of no use if your break grip is at the end of the butt.
The SJ came originally in a Stealth-logo velvet slip case (I only mention it as neither the SH or BK came in anything, not because any serious player would ever carry it around like that) and came with wooden joint protectors with no finish and a third butt extension intended for middle-of-the-table jump shots. I have never used the extension yet, preferring to kick if snookered in the middle of the table, as a jump from there has only a maximum landing strip of 4.5', making it very easy to send the cue ball off the table even if you make the jump itself. The SJ uses what appears to be a short 3/8 10 pin for both the main joint and the extension. The pin fits very tightly in the shaft. Once assembled the joint is very firm and does not move at all. I believe from new they put a little wax on the pin to help it with the very tight fit. The SJ butt appears to be Cocobolo cored with maple or some other light wood. The finish on the butt is not very high quality and wears easily, especially if you keep it in an external pocket of a cue case as most of us do.

BALANCE/TAPER:
The BK has a long thin shaft taper and the butt thickens up considerably through in the grip area, leading to a feeling that all the weight is in your grip hand and almost none on your bridge hand. The BK shaft is similar but slightly different than a regular Predator playing shaft
In contrast I felt much more weight on my bridge hand with the SH (even accounting for the 1oz extra weight) and it had a noticeably thicker taper than the BK, especially on the shaft in the section close to the bridge.
The SH was slightly heavier overall than my BK (20oz vs 19oz) but felt much heavier when in shooting position due to the very different balance setup.
The SJ has a thick taper similar to the SH taper, and the tip looks a little larger than 13mm.

TIP/FERRULE:
The BK has a laminated tip of unknown make with a standard Nickel radius shaped from the factory. The topmost layer of mine separated after about 18 months. It has a short 1/2" ferrule made out of some kind of plastic-feeling material (It has no noticeable grain like a linen-based ferrule) and is noticeably softer than most other ferrule materials I have felt. It has also developed a noticeable chamfer in the ferrule that I assume is wear from sliding on the cloth during heavy breaks.
The SH I tested had the black phenolic tip/ferrule (I assume this is functionally identical to the natural/brown version.) Like all SH models this is a single piece of phenolic material. I was surprised to find the shape of the SH one-piece phenolic tip was a Dime radius. (I have no idea if this is typical of all SHs or just this one) I did not test shaping the SH tip with anything, so don't know how easy this would be to change with normal hand tip-shapers. I had no problems applying chalk to it.
The SJ has some kind of thin, very hard tip which is almost totally flat from the factory, and a very short ferrule if unknown material. It is noticeably difficult to chalk this tip evenly.

JUMPING: When broken down into a jump cue the SH felt incredibly light, lighter than the SJ and maybe 3/4" shorter than the SJ, so it must be right on the edge of the 40" minimum length. I have always used the "dart" overhand jump stroke with the SJ. My jump shots are functional in that I can clear the obstruction and hit the object ball about 75% of the time, but have never been very accurate so rarely make the object ball. Nor have I been able to jump from any closer than about 4-5" from the obstructing ball. (A friend with the same SJ cue can jump with less than 2" gap with the same dart stroke) I noticed that most pros I've seen recently are using the underhand jump stroke, basically a regular stroke with an open bridge jacked up to 45 degrees or more and, due to the short and thin jump cue butt, holding the cue in a fist grip with the arm tucked in to the ribs. Usually they sight down the shot with the jump cue level almost like a regular shot, and then elevate into jump position.
I had tried this technique with the SJ and was never able to get the cue ball high enough in the air to clear the obstructing ball. With the SH I was able to achieve it within 2 tries. The biggest problem I had was not failing to jump but failing to hit the cue ball altogether due to the very short bridge required to jump like this and the odd feel of the slightly shorter SH jump section compared to the SJ. I can see with practice that I may be able to achieve more consistently accurate jumps with the SH and this stroke than the SJ and the dart stroke, but am not sure I would be able to jump closer to the obstructing ball.

BREAKING:
I have always liked the feel of the BK for breaking. The shaft taper lends itself to a long follow through with your hand right on the end of the butt, although recently I have taken to using a very short punchy break for 9 Ball with my hand closer to the joint than normal, and it works very well this way too due to the shape of the butt and the balance. Personally I am not a big fan of regular Predator shafts for normal playing, but the BK shaft is different from a regular Predator shaft. (If anyone believes the BK is identical to a regular Predator cue just play a regular game with the BK, the feel is totally weird compared to a regular Predator, or any other normal cue for that matter.)
The SH feels very different. The much thicker shaft meant my "punch" break with a closed bridge on the table (Cue ball 1 diamond in on the head string) did not feel too comfortable. I would have to practice more with the SH to get used to it for that break. A rail break is what the SH seems to be primarily designed for and to me it felt better like this.
The other key thing about the SH is the absolute absence of the normal feedback feel from any cue. If you hit dead center it is almost like hitting the sweet spot on a tennis racket, it does not feel like you've hit the ball at all and yet it flies perfectly down the table at high speed. I did not mis-cue at all with the SH during my session, which is a worry some people have about the phenolic tip.

CONCLUSIONS:
The one-piece ferrule/tip of the SH is a definite advantage for robustness and initially appears to be nearly maintenance free. (I'd have to play with one for a long time to know for sure how well it wears in heavy use.) I'm a little concerned about how to roughen or reshape the SH tip if it required it. Obviously a regular tip like the BK can be maintained and replaced if necessary with standard tools, and also changed to different makes/models of tip of desired.
The jump section of the SH seems to work just as well as the dedicated SJ cue for basic jump shots. This is a great compliment for the SH, as usually a combination break/jump has to make performance compromises on one or other element, and of course carrying only 2 sticks instead of 3 is more convenient. However you'd have to be a better jump shot player than myself to really test the limits of the 2 sticks to know which was best.
The biggest issue I have in the SH design is in feel and balance. I was not sure I like the almost total absence of feedback, but given you only use it once per rack and that the end result is the most important factor in a break I am sure I could learn to live with it. I'd really like to try an 18oz model to see if that improves the balance for my break style.
I purchased the BK and SJ before the SH was widely available. Given that the SH is around the same price as the BK on it's own and the SJ adds around another $100 if I had to make the same purchasing decision today I would give the SH very strong consideration.
 
Great Post!!!

I have a Sledgehammer as a 18.7 oz, the basic model with no wrap. It's got incredible balance. It's not uncommon to sink 4 balls on the break. The Cue ball can be controlled nicely but you have to really concentrate on hitting dead center.
 
That is a good post, and one of the best cue reviews I've read. I recently got the SH (18 oz), and it is hands down the best break cue, and jump cue, I have ever used. I really like the fat taper on the shaft. Try a lighter one, I think you'll like the balance better. Try using just the shaft and jump over an object ball that is about 1/4 to 1/2 inch away from the cueball........you'll be amazed at how easy it is.

P.S. you can shape the tip/ferrule with sandpaper pretty easily

~DC
 
Thanks crawdaddio. It beats me why we can't read reviews like this in any of the major magazines. Even Inside Pool, which otherwise seems to be intelligently ingnoring the staid conventions of Billiards Digest, has a "review" section that does nothing more than reprint a manufacturer's advertizing blurb.

Hmm, perhaps Mike could add a dedicated "Reviews" forum, sub-divided into Cues, Tables, Rooms etc? Ideally we'd also have long-term updates, as some factors can only be properly assesed over time.
 
AuntyDan said:
Thanks crawdaddio. It beats me why we can't read reviews like this in any of the major magazines. Even Inside Pool,


Because any article like that might influence the buying habits of too many readers in either a positive way for some cue makers, and in a negative way for other cue makers which just might happen to be one of the larger advertisers for the magazine. A good number of years ago I contacted both Pool & Billiards as well as Billiards Digest and suggested a monthly article on "What's in the case" of a different pro each month. Both declined because they said it would possibly be construed as promotion for one product over another (again affecting THEIR primary advertisers), which I found ridiculous. Well, Inside Pool had the nuts to step up to the plate and do that exact feature every month. Hooray for them!!

You did a good job in your analysis. If the SH was yours, you could easily enough get it down to 18 oz. by taking out the weight bolt and either cutting it with a hack saw to the desired weight for 18 oz. or remove it entirely, whatever the case may be.
 
*Applause*

Very nice review!

I also have a SH, 19 ounces, and it does take some getting used to. I was miscueing some at first, and decided to change the shape of the tip to almost a flat nickel. It works MUCH better for me and I never miscue now. I am predominately an 8 ball league player. I was breaking with a house cue one night because I was lazy and I never could spread the balls. I pulled out my sledgehammer and made two solids and a stripe...my captain says I will get your SH out for you from now on!

Shorty
 
I love the feel of the Predator break cue. In fact, when I was "cueless" I was using a friend of mine's to shoot with as a playing cue........and even after having played with a custom Scruggs for several years, I LOVED playing with the BK break cue. Broke great, and played great. Now, jump wise I've always jumped with my playing cue...just how I learned and how I'm comfortable. If it's a REALLY tight jump I would borrow a jump cue if one was available, but 80% of the time I felt more accurate jumping with a playing cue.

I've hit some breaks with the Sledgehammer, and it breaks HARD...but I did feel like I couldn't control the cue ball (but I'm sure that comes with time). I guess if I owned one and used it a lot I would get the hang of it. Honestly, they're both great products. You just have to figure out which one is right for you....so best to try out your buddies first and decide which one you like.

Excellent review though. Thanks for posting!
 
AuntyDan said:
The SJ butt appears to be Cocobolo cored with maple or some other light wood.
It's not Coco. It's a very light hardwood that happens to be reddish.

I noticed that most pros I've seen recently are using the underhand jump stroke, basically a regular stroke with an open bridge jacked up to 45 degrees
I would consider this an "overhand" jump stroke since the grip hand is over the cue. No?

CONCLUSIONS:
The one-piece ferrule/tip of the SH is a definite advantage for robustness and initially appears to be nearly maintenance free. (I'd have to play with one for a long time to know for sure how well it wears in heavy use.) I'm a little concerned about how to roughen or reshape the SH tip if it required it..
I've never roughened any of my phenolic tips nor have I found the need. I don't think any tip needs roughening, but that's just my opinion.

Great review by the way.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd get the combo J/B like a Sledgehammer. Oh wait, I did do it all over again.I just got a Andy Gilbert with a phenolic tip (not phenolic ferrule tip) as well as a shaft with a very hard Water Buffalo tip. The balance is great on the thing, and I can jump a ball width away even with the Water Buffalo tip. I can also shoot with it as a regular stick.

Fred
 
Fred Agnir said:
If I had to do it all over again, I'd get the combo J/B like a Sledgehammer. Oh wait, I did do it all over again.I just got a Andy Gilbert with a phenolic tip (not phenolic ferrule tip) as well as a shaft with a very hard Water Buffalo tip. The balance is great on the thing, and I can jump a ball width away even with the Water Buffalo tip. I can also shoot with it as a regular stick.

Fred

i was wondering if i was the only one that thought my gilbert jump/break plays as good as it jump breaks.

i have a jacoby jumping james II that i like to use for close jumps (i highly recommend people to try this cue, its almost impossible not to jump a ball with it even as close as a ball away from the impeding ball), i prefer the gilbert for when i have a longer jump or playing somewhere that doesn't allow cues to be broken down to jump, as for some reason i can't jump very well with my playing cue.

i have a phenolic ferrule sledgehammerlike tip on mine. i haven't had any trouble as to needing to rough it up or reshape it. everyone talks about miscueing with it, i haven't had that trouble either. i have even used it to play a few racks with and even using sidespin as long as i keep the tip blue with chalk i have no problem with the phenolic ferrule tip miscueing.

thanks
 
I have a Sledgehammer that I was considering replacing (thought about a Mace) until last Monday when I cracked in 5 balls on a break (first time for me) in a local-room 9-ball tournament ...I think I'll hang on to it! Really does have a great feel when it's hit just right. When I got it, I spoke to Mike Gullyassy about the tip. He says it's OK to shape/scuff it but do not ever use a tip-pik on it. I scuff it about once a week with a Willard.
rayjay :p
 
Wow ! Thanks for the excellent review ! I found it very helpful because I'm in process of buying a new cue for breaking or jumping. Don't know yet. I have a Falcon JB with a regular leather tip and as it is great for breaking, I still can't jump steep enough to clear an obstructing ball from 4" away with accuracy. I've tried several phenolic tipped/ferruled jump cues and the jumping was much easier with them. And when the jumping is easy, I can concentrate on making the object ball and playing position for the next one.

Btw, I somehow don't like the phenolic tips for breaking. Seems that you have to hit the cueball in dead center to get an efficient break. With my Falcon, I can hit a little bit off-center and the deflection will correct my aim and I still hit the headball smack in the middle even though I lose some velocity in spin energy of the cueball. But, this secures a better and more accurate hit. I've hit many very hard breaks which leave the cueball right in the center of the table spinning.
 
drivermaker said:
Because any article like that might influence the buying habits of too many readers in either a positive way for some cue makers, and in a negative way for other cue makers which just might happen to be one of the larger advertisers for the magazine.

There are a myriad of magazines for cars, bikes, audio, cameras etc. which make there primary content critical reviews of the products whose manufacturers also advertise in them. It seems to me if all the 3 major magazines published "true" reviews the advertisers of billiards products would have no choice but to continue advertising with them despite of this, although I'm sure they would not like it.

Good point about the "What's in the case?" Inside Pool section, I'd forgotten about that, it makes interesting reading.
 
I agree completely. Inside Pool's "what's in the case" is very informative and very interesting. Many players play with slightly modified cues and especially the specs are interesting. And a pro can comment on his choices, why has chosen a particular cue.

But, AuntyDan's review is without the doubt in top 3 reviews of all time on pool equipment !

Why is it, in many magazines the journalists are reviewing different products and finding pros and cons of different equipment. I know some aspects of a pool cue are totally a matter of taste and preference, but reliable sound reviews on pool equipment seem to be very hard to find. All you can find is a manufacturer to praise his own product.
 
Nice review. Thank you. Most people seem to be very pleased with the stealth these days.

Ned put an olivewood reinforcement into the bored center of the reddish wood of his jump cues. Basically, the butt of the jump cue is hollow and hence feels very light. The extension is solid and is meant for longer jump. I love that design because it does help to control the ball on far and long jumps with a bit more weight on the butt end.

I also like SH. I am impressed with how white his shafts are, and they do jump very well. He also makes plain jumping cues. I really like his taper being a bit softer than some of the import jump break cues which feature a more or less conical taper. I am not sure why but I can have more feel and power with his taper. The balance is really well done. For the price of his basic model, he is certainly delivering a lot for the money.

I have tried all sorts of breaking cues and have finally settled on a BK with a phenolic tip. I can hit the ball as hard as I want and still mentain a good level of control of the cue ball.

I have owned about three BK in the past and have sold them all because I was embrassed by the design and the workmanship(finish and joint problems mostly)--but I think performance wise, the BK is really working for me. I put a leather wrap on mine now. With a no wrap/linen wrap model, it feels a bit slippery sometimes. My cue ball do not jump off the table or spin with sidings even when I am breaking with full power. :D

I am jumping with a new jump cue I purchased from Chris Hightower. It features a flat laminated shaft, a tip/ferrule combo, with a black slim butt. I have to say it jumps better than anything I have ever tried--and believe me, I have tried a lot. ;)

The flat laminated shaft allows me to hit the ball really straight and my ball no longer curve unintentionally. I never miscue with this tip/ferrule combo like I would before with other phenolic tips. The tip is only about a 13mm and the shaft is not too thick either--I do not like a very fat shaft with a 14mm because the balance would feel too front heavy for me.

The butt is a bit longer on my jump cue than that on a regular jump cue. I like that extra length especially for longer jump. It is very slim so it does not feel butt heavy even on close jumps. The rubber bumper at the butt end is a nice touch. It allows me to stand the cue on the floor.

The butt had a linen wrap on when I got the cue and I changed it to an ostrich wrap to match with my playing cue. .

I am very happy with what Chris did, he obviously understands the game and what is required to make the ball jump consistently. Being very controllable and consistent is what seperate this from any other jump cues.

By the way, I have tried to break with a flat laminated shaft on a Mike Lambros jump break before--and it was very powerful. I really believe anyone who is looking for a powerful breaking shaft should give the flat laminated shaft a try.

I personally prefer a solid cue with only one major joint for breaking. I feel that with an additional joint, especially when it is quick release, the intergrity of the construction is compromised to a certain extent.

Have a good day, folks. Nice chatting as always.

Richard
 
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