Ring billet material (Carmeli)

SSDiver2112

SSDiver2112

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I am building a Kielwood shaft for a Carmeli cue and trying to match the rings. Any idea what materials are used?

I don’t have a picture of the cue right now, but same as this but with cocobolo. Rings are the same though.

Experimenting with some phenolic.


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Update: Here is the actual cue. I'm just inquiring if there is a known or at least common material used.

The white phenolic I used was not exactly 1/8" (0.125) it was 0.131-ish so I had to hand sand each strip to fit. I'll clean up the billet soon and make some rings to test out and see if they look ok with finish applied.


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SSDiver2112 said:
Update: Here is the actual cue. I'm just inquiring if there is a known or at least common material used.

The white phenolic I used was not exactly 1/8" (0.125) it was 0.131-ish so I had to hand sand each strip to fit. I'll clean up the billet soon and make some rings to test out and see if they look ok with finish applied.


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I'm not a Cue-Maker. That being said, depending on the age of the cue, it might be ivory. If so, using Elforyn would be your safest/closest alternative. I think they sell Elforyn slab at Atlas Billiards.
Hopefully someone else can give you better information.
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SSDiver2112 said:
I am building a Kielwood shaft for a Carmeli cue and trying to match the rings. Any idea what materials are used?

I don’t have a picture of the cue right now, but same as this but with cocobolo. Rings are the same though.

Experimenting with some phenolic.


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Something else that crossed my mind. You might try Prather. They might have prefabbed ring billets.
Just a thought.
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SSDiver2112 said:
Thanks Kim, it appears too white to me and there is no visible lines or grain.

Scott

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Remember that Elforyn is available in several different varieties:
- Super Tusk, that's the one wich is the best Ivory imotation in terms of pattern and colour
- Ivory grained, more pattern than Super Tusk, this was their previous "looks like ivory" product
And then you have regular Elforyn that comes in white (and that's truly snow white in colour) and ivory coloured with a tinge of yellow in it.
So my guess is that it's one of the two without grain pattern in it.
I can machine a piece of round stock when I'm in the shop, so you can see how it looks.
 
Kim Bye said:
Remember that Elforyn is available in several different varieties:
- Super Tusk, that's the one wich is the best Ivory imotation in terms of pattern and colour
- Ivory grained, more pattern than Super Tusk, this was their previous "looks like ivory" product
And then you have regular Elforyn that comes in white (and that's truly snow white in colour) and ivory coloured with a tinge of yellow in it.
So my guess is that it's one of the two without grain pattern in it.
I can machine a piece of round stock when I'm in the shop, so you can see how it looks.
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Ok thanks. I had forgotten there was a white version.

Also wondering if the black is ebony or synthetic.

I know you can use anything I was just curious if anyone knew what he would have used for an easier match. Or if there was a preferred material for this kind of ring. I used a paper phenolic rod and it’s pretty tough stuff
 
SSDiver2112 said:
Ok thanks. I had forgotten there was a white version.

Also wondering if the black is ebony or synthetic.

I know you can use anything I was just curious if anyone knew what he would have used for an easier match. Or if there was a preferred material for this kind of ring. I used a paper phenolic rod and it’s pretty tough stuff
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The rest of the ring is most likely phenolic.
 
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