in 85 my friend bought a dozen, we all thought we were gonna be champions, so he started putting them on his clostest friendsm it was a busy room just before the color of money, there were about 60 people there a night or more on the week days and way over 150 on the weekends the table list was 20 something deep. Anyways I got one of the rubber tips, I used it for a week, I was a C- player, with that tip I was a W- player, it ws theworst thing ever, miscues constantly, we couldnt cscuff them up, my friend took off 12 tips, took them off and reinstalled 12 more tips in about a week, 36 tips the hard way, no lathe etc, he still does perfect tip work the old fasion way, but no more rubber tips ever again. they had black pads