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[tomatoshooter]

My game speed break is low-mid 20s (still powerful enough to get that 'thats different' kinda crack of the balls) but I top out around 30mph when just messing around going max speed with reckless abandon just for funsies....balls fly. Not something to do with equipment u mind dinging up. I haven't tracked the ball angles or anything but have had to go off picking up balls on opposite sides of the table before. Worth it.

No need to be way past 30mph imo. A 26mph is really powerful. 28 is monstrous and makes the type of sound on a dead on hit that gets the whole pool hall to turn their heads. Plenty enough force in those to send balls flying if coming into the 1 on a hop and striking a decent amount above the equator.

I was watching a pro event, it may have been Gorst-Filler or a couple of the top dogs at any rate. They were breaking at like 19.7 and 20.5 mph. It seemed like they both were nearly always +/- .1 mph. I don't remember if they were using a magic rack or not, but it seems like the precision is worth the tradeoff in speed, at least with decent table conditions. The always show the break from the other end of the table so I can't get a good look at the body movement but they appear to use very little, just arm strength.

 

[straightline]

I was watching a pro event, it may have been Gorst-Filler or a couple of the top dogs at any rate. They were breaking at like 19.7 and 20.5 mph. It seemed like they both were nearly always +/- .1 mph. I don't remember if they were using a magic rack or not, but it seems like the precision is worth the tradeoff in speed, at least with decent table conditions. The always show the break from the other end of the table so I can't get a good look at the body movement but they appear to use very little, just arm strength.

These days nobody clobbers anything and they seem very in control of the stun factor. Any math guys to estimate the speed on this break?

 

[WobblyStroke]

I was watching a pro event, it may have been Gorst-Filler or a couple of the top dogs at any rate. They were breaking at like 19.7 and 20.5 mph. It seemed like they both were nearly always +/- .1 mph. I don't remember if they were using a magic rack or not, but it seems like the precision is worth the tradeoff in speed, at least with decent table conditions. The always show the break from the other end of the table so I can't get a good look at the body movement but they appear to use very little, just arm strength.

Ye, u pretty much want to break as softly as the table allows. Often pro conditions allow for really soft so they put rules in place to stop that. When Corey 'invented' the soft break and used it to wipe out the field in the US Open he was breaking around 15mph which looks absurdly slow.

Conversely, the conditions I often find myself playing in demand a big break so it's just a game of how hard can I hit em without sending balls flying off the table (too often anyway).

 

[tim913]

Ye, u pretty much want to break as softly as the table allows. Often pro conditions allow for really soft so they put rules in place to stop that. When Corey 'invented' the soft break and used it to wipe out the field in the US Open he was breaking around 15mph which looks absurdly slow.

Conversely, the conditions I often find myself playing in demand a big break so it's just a game of how hard can I hit em without sending balls flying off the table (too often anyway).

It makes me smile every time I read where Corey invented the soft break, though true in professional circles(probably).
I played guys using it before Corey was born. I watched a few fights over it too. They didn’t call it a ‘soft’ break though and I won’t say what they called the player’s. who used it either It really didn’t bother me too much

 

[WobblyStroke]

It makes me smile every time I read where Corey invented the soft break, though true in professional circles(probably).
I played guys using it before Corey was born. I watched a few fights over it too. They didn’t call it a ‘soft’ break though and I won’t say what they called the player’s. who used it either It really didn’t bother me too much

Ye that's why i put quotation marks around 'invented'. Obv it's been around. He did most notably bring it to the televised pro game tho.

 

[tim913]

Yeah I saw that, not saying you believe, but just seeing it mentioned makes me shake my head sometimes cause to most it’s gospel

 

[tomatoshooter]

Ye, u pretty much want to break as softly as the table allows. Often pro conditions allow for really soft so they put rules in place to stop that. When Corey 'invented' the soft break and used it to wipe out the field in the US Open he was breaking around 15mph which looks absurdly slow.

Conversely, the conditions I often find myself playing in demand a big break so it's just a game of how hard can I hit em without sending balls flying off the table (too often anyway).

I'm surprised he was at 15 mph, I guess with a tight rack, the energy goes into nearly all the balls more equally instead of a couple flying around. If I remember correctly, he barely sent any balls past the side pockets.

They didn’t call it a ‘soft’ break though and I won’t say what they called the player’s. who used it either It really didn’t bother me too much

Yeah, call me what you like and pay the [redacted].

I have to admire the effectiveness of the strategy, although it wasn't much fun to watch.

 

[WobblyStroke]

I'm surprised he was at 15 mph, I guess with a tight rack, the energy goes into nearly all the balls more equally instead of a couple flying around. If I remember correctly, he barely sent any balls past the side pockets.

Ye almost never. He could def have gone lower, esp if he chose to hit square. I think I remember one as low as 13mph in a trny that was displaying break speeds but he was in that 13-16 range as far as I recall. But in that US Open, he was breaking just off center and using a cut break to make both the wing ball and 1 in the side--just about the most lethal break I've ever seen. They had the Sardo rack so the pack was perfect every time. With a cut break, you can hit it at 15mph and get a reaction from the balls like you're hitting closer to 10 dead on.