Local amateur weekly tournament: Playing 7 ball in the losers bracket. 7 ball does not count on the break. Player A breaks and makes the 7 ball. Not knowing the rule, player B thinks the game is over and rakes the balls. They were informed that 7 on the break is not a win. So what do you do? Is it a loss of game for player B ? Or, do you re-rack and give player A the break? What if he fails to make a ball on the re break and player B runs out.
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I never play 7 ball but moving the balls as your opponent did would constitute a foul the way I see it. I am sure the rules were announced to everybody but when in doubt ask the tournament operator before doing anything that stupid. He should be penalized for his stupidity alone if nothing else.
If there is a ref at the table, loss of game. If not, the player that made the 7 would make the call, going by strict rules, it's a loss. But often in local tournaments I have seen thigs like this forgiven. Player breaks, mis-cues and misses the rack, technically it's the other players choice if they want to break or let the other guy break again, almost always the one that miscued just grabs the ball and tries again with no-one saying anything. That's against the rules but allowed to happen most of the time.
If I was playing, and I knew that the player was new to the turnament, I would just replay the rack.
Were the rules announced before the start? In many local tournament people tend to assume everyone knows all the rules that are not standard. The only rule set I'd assume would be used are the WPA rules for any game, but I always ask, and make it a point to inform any new players I play that they know the extra rules also. In the local tournament I play, the 9 ball does not count on the break and needs to be called, in 8 ball the 8 ball also does not count on the break. I let anyone I have not seen before know those rules before we start as they are not always announced. And if they are announced, unless you actually know how to play, those rules may just go right over your head as meaning nothing. Like if a surgeon told me that some procedure needed to be done with a bluggatroon held with a froomister tool. I would not know what those would be even if I was stabbed with them so they saying that to me would be useless without more info.
If I was playing, and I knew that the player was new to the turnament, I would just replay the rack.
Were the rules announced before the start? In many local tournament people tend to assume everyone knows all the rules that are not standard. The only rule set I'd assume would be used are the WPA rules for any game, but I always ask, and make it a point to inform any new players I play that they know the extra rules also. In the local tournament I play, the 9 ball does not count on the break and needs to be called, in 8 ball the 8 ball also does not count on the break. I let anyone I have not seen before know those rules before we start as they are not always announced. And if they are announced, unless you actually know how to play, those rules may just go right over your head as meaning nothing. Like if a surgeon told me that some procedure needed to be done with a bluggatroon held with a froomister tool. I would not know what those would be even if I was stabbed with them so they saying that to me would be useless without more info.
The player altered the table, so it should be a loss automatically
If this is a non-standard rule for 7 ball, and the rules were not announced prior to the tournament, would that still be a foul? We can't all know every house / modified rule a place may have, and even if asked the players may not tell you or remember all the rules they play by.
Loss of game. You can't rake the balls in the middle of a game no matter the reason
You're right. It depends on the circumstances. Assuming the rule is official, then the players are responsible for knowing it.
However, if the tournament has been played regularly one way and then the rules suddenly changed, it might be a different story. But normally in handicap tournaments, making the spot ball on the break doesn't constitute a win.