Rules: Accidentally using OB for CB - BIH?

Billy_Bob

Billy_Bob

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I saw a player shoot a shot where he by accident used an object ball for the cue ball. (His mind was somewhere else or he could not see very well.)

This was playing 8-ball BCA rules with no referee present.

I understand that if there was a referee present, any moving of object balls is a foul.

So was this a ball-in-hand foul with no referee present? The cue ball was never touched.

Would the pocketed ball remain pocketed? Or replace/spot balls?
 
Billy_Bob said:
I saw a player shoot a shot where he by accident used an object ball for the cue ball. (His mind was somewhere else or he could not see very well.)

This was playing 8-ball BCA rules with no referee present.

I understand that if there was a referee present, any moving of object balls is a foul.

So was this a ball-in-hand foul with no referee present? The cue ball was never touched.

Would the pocketed ball remain pocketed? Or replace/spot balls?
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1.16.1 CUE BALL FOULS ONLY
When a referee is presiding over a match, it is a foul for a player to touch any ball (cue ball or object ball) with the cue, clothing, body, mechanical bridge or chalk, before, during or after a shot. However, when a referee is not presiding over a game, it is not a foul to accidentally touch stationary balls located between the cue ball and the shooter while in the act of shooting. If such an accident occurs, the player should allow the Tournament Director to restore the object balls to their correct positions. If the player does not allow such a restoration, and a ball set in motion as a normal part of the shot touches such an unrestored ball, or passes partly into a region originally occupied by a disturbed ball, the shot is a foul. In short, if the accident has any effect on the outcome of the shot, it is a foul. In any case, the Tournament Director must be called upon to restore the positions of the disturbed balls as soon as possible, but not during the shot. It is a foul to play another shot before the Tournament Director has restored any accidentally moved balls. At the non-shooting player’s option, the disturbed balls will be left in their new positions. In this case, the balls are considered restored, and subsequent contact on them is not a foul. It is still a foul to make any contact with the cue ball whatsoever while it is in play, except for the normal tip-to-ball contact during a shot.


The rule specifically states that this applies to "accidentally" touching an object-ball. The shooter-in-question albeit unintentional, he deliberately moved an object-ball. This was no accident. It's a foul. BIH to the shooter.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
1.16.1 CUE BALL FOULS ONLY
When a referee is presiding over a match, it is a foul for a player to touch any ball (cue ball or object ball) with the cue, clothing, body, mechanical bridge or chalk, before, during or after a shot. However, when a referee is not presiding over a game, it is not a foul to accidentally touch stationary balls located between the cue ball and the shooter while in the act of shooting. If such an accident occurs, the player should allow the Tournament Director to restore the object balls to their correct positions. If the player does not allow such a restoration, and a ball set in motion as a normal part of the shot touches such an unrestored ball, or passes partly into a region originally occupied by a disturbed ball, the shot is a foul. In short, if the accident has any effect on the outcome of the shot, it is a foul. In any case, the Tournament Director must be called upon to restore the positions of the disturbed balls as soon as possible, but not during the shot. It is a foul to play another shot before the Tournament Director has restored any accidentally moved balls. At the non-shooting player’s option, the disturbed balls will be left in their new positions. In this case, the balls are considered restored, and subsequent contact on them is not a foul. It is still a foul to make any contact with the cue ball whatsoever while it is in play, except for the normal tip-to-ball contact during a shot.


The rule specifically states that this applies to "accidentally" touching an object-ball. The shooter-in-question albeit unintentional, he deliberately moved an object-ball. This was no accident. It's a foul. BIH to the shooter.
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Unintentional and deliberate at the same time? :confused:

By the way Jude, you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave! Welcome back to the dark side. :D
 
How about this one...

The game is 9 ball, and the 9 is almost a hanger. Player A is nervous and worries about that 9 ball, and instead of just shooting at the lowest numbered ball on the table, decides to take an intentional foul and shoot the 9 ball somewhere tough on the table, but when he is cueing, accidentally taps the cue ball with his tip. Player B sees what happens and calls a foul. Several spectators see the foul too. Player A gets up from his stance, obviously perturbed. Player B says it was a foul again, and Player A does not protest. Player B takes the cue ball in hand, lines up a shot and shoots the lowest numbered ball into the 9, winning the game and the match. Pretty clear situation.

What would happen however if after Player B called the foul, if Player A intentionally slammed the cue ball into the 9 and messed up other balls on the table? Not talking about an accidental shot, but an intentional one, rendering replacing the balls into their original position basically impossible. Isn't that a loss of game?

Flex
 
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Da Poet said:
Unintentional and deliberate at the same time? :confused:

By the way Jude, you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave! Welcome back to the dark side. :D
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lol, yes.


I know it sounds odd but the long-winded answer is, he deliberately moved an object-ball since he shot it with his cue-stick. Obviously, it is never the intent of a shooter to use an object-ball as the cue-ball but the act is in no doubt deliberate. This scenario simply falls outside the realm of an accident.
 
Flex said:
What would happen however if after Player B called the foul, if Player A intentionally slammed the cue ball into the 9 and messed up other balls on the table? Not talking about an accidental shot, but an intentional one, rendering replacing the balls into their original position basically impossible. Isn't that a loss of game?

Flex
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It would probably be loss of life! :eek:
 
Pinocchio said:
Ah! The stress of league pool!
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League pool, nothing! That happened at a 9 ball tournament at Chris's in Chicago!

Still wondering what the correct call would be if he were to have intentionally, after committing a foul, have messed the table up. I think it should be loss of game.
 
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