Rules question

a legal shot says you have to hit object ball with cue and pocket or hit rail with either after contact.
if he hit the 9 thinking it was cue then it wasnt accidently.
so this has to be foul with bih , correct ?

carl
 
APA LO said:
How many times have you actually seen this happen on a league night? Once, twice, ever? I think it's a stretch to say that this would compromise the integrity of the sport considering how rare it is to use an object ball as a cue ball.
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It's not this specific shot I'm referring to. It's the rulebook on the whole. The APA rulebook is incomplete, poorly worded and inconsistent with what every other organization does. Some of the mistakes are so bad that it becomes practically worthless. Take, for example, their description of a foul:

Page 49.

a. Anytime the cue ball goes in a pocket, on the floor, or otherwise ends up off the playing surface.


Do you realize, there was a huge argument because a player accidentally dropped the cue ball while exercising BIH because of this rule? FOULS! I mean, they can't even describe basic fouls. Nobody had the foresight to word it like,

A. If, during the course of a shot, the cue ball goes in a pocket or ends up off the playing surface, it is a foul.


When I went to Vegas, at the players meeting, I asked what the frozen-ball rule was. The referee said, "You are not allowed to double-hit the cueball". What does that even mean?

Here are some of the other inconsistencies with what the APA does and everybody else:

1. 8 on the break is a win
Not the case in every other organization I can think of

2. You are what you make
Other organizations provide choice after the break

3. Knocking an object ball off the table is not a foul
ANYTIME you knock a ball off the table, it's a foul. Anything else is ridiculous.

4. If, while shooting the 8-ball, you miss it altogether, it is a foul. If you hit the 8-ball and foul, it is a loss of game.
This might be the most insane rule ever. The game ends when the 8-ball is pocketed. That's that.


Don't get me wrong. The APA is a lot of fun but their rule book is out of control. You can just smack the 9-ball into all the others and people are going to wonder if it's a foul? I mean, at least when it comes to BCA or WPA disputes, it's a little more complex than using an object-ball as a cue-ball.
 
APA LO said:
How exactly does this compromise the integrity of the sport? Are you suggesting that anytime someone accidentally moves an object ball it should be a foul? That's exactly what this is. An accidental ball movement. The integrity is not compromised if the opponent simply puts the balls back where they were and the shooter doesn't lose his turn.

Or do we really want ball in hand off the legally blind guy, who mistakenly shot the 1 ball instead of the cue ball, to win a pool game?

And yes, I have at the very least 1 legally blind poolplayer in my league. Keep in mind that "legally blind" is not the same thing as not being able to see at all.

Rule simplification is what makes APA rules some of the best rules out there. That we don't have to open the team manual on every shot to make sure some sort of infraction isn't happening is actually a good thing.
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You are an APA League Operator and I am a pool player. I think that says it all.

Edit. Perhaps it doesn't.

See I play by these rules. I'm not a business man hoping to increase my membership. I'm hoping for consistency in logic. Even better, consistency throughout the sport. The APA creates its rules completely on their own without any consideration for what the sport is doing.
 
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