Rules to rotation phillipino style?

My opponent breaks and makes let's say the 1 and 5 but scratches. They spot up and I don't like the situation but I also have a clear hit on the 1. Do I have the option to make my opponent shoot?
 
You may not pass if there is a clear shot and you cannot pass it back after the preceding player fouls or scratches.
 
You may not pass if there is a clear shot and you cannot pass it back after the preceding player fouls or scratches.


Obviously one wouldn't pass a clear shot but how about a clear hit. Do I have to attempt a shot or safety or can I pass it back. What if the spotted balls are blocked and I can't hit the spotted ball for some reason?
 
i think john meant clear hit. It's up to you if you want to attempt to make a shot or play safety. But you cannot pass it back and you should take the shot. It really happens, when the spotted ball is covered by other balls. You will have to kick the object ball. BTW spotted balls, (be it because of a foul or a scratch) should always be placed at the back of ball/s in the spot position, aligned to the circle on the table.
 
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i almost forgot. in the Philippines, 15-ball rotation is also called "Escalera"
 
Isn't it if we are playing escalera, it means that we could only pot the object ball and can't pot other balls using combination o carom? and potted balls not the object balls will have to be spotted back.
 
My opponent breaks and makes let's say the 1 and 5 but scratches. They spot up and I don't like the situation but I also have a clear hit on the 1. Do I have the option to make my opponent shoot?


You have to take your turn and shoot it, even if you can't see the OB, that's why the knowledge of the diamonds are very vital because you'll be kicking a lot...
 
Great thread! What are typical races played to in the Philippines?


The shortest would be best of 5, but the most common is best of 7, it really depends on the players. Most railbirds will probably bet on per game basis, so it will be a coin toss for the break for every game.
 
i like this action, i'd get robbed there i'm sure. well pretty sure anyways. I'm a B+ player-what ever that means :confused::confused: sometimes i catch a gear and get out i ran 14 the other day in rotation(that was all that was on the table) and to the best of my recollection the best i ever did, they laid easy.

So my question is for a guy like me, how or is it handicapped so i have a half a chance of winning?
 
All your skills come into play in 15 ball rotation. Combo's, banks, caroms, safes, kicking (no jump cues), 3 cushion. I wish Efern and Busta would put on a show somewhere in the states...like TAR. Then if you've never seen it played by top players you'd be in for a suprise. When you run a rack of 15 ball rotation you've done something. Too many are worried about whats good for TV. I say build the streams up first and it will sell to tv fast. Johnnyt



You know what would be a cool idea-if it just worked out that the reight guys were there is for TAR to have them(the Pinoys) play their game for 60-90 minutes on TAR as a exhibition during a break for a regular TAR event. I'd love to watch that.

ive said this many times here i saw guys laying Efren 3/2 on the $$$ to beat the 15ball goahst and he robbed them, in Reno-the pockets were huge, which helped lots, still was amazing.
 
I would prefer 15ball if it were played like 10ball. I don't need to be doing math... making the balls is hard enough.


we really got to talk..... you and this "Math" thing, got to get over it man:p:p:D:)

hey i owe you a PM, i have some thoughts to share with you, and based on what you said I have a even higher respect than ever for you, not that it was ever in question, its just even more now that i know you a little better. hope to see you soon.

take care

eric :)
 
i like this action, i'd get robbed there i'm sure. well pretty sure anyways. I'm a B+ player-what ever that means :confused::confused: sometimes i catch a gear and get out i ran 14 the other day in rotation(that was all that was on the table) and to the best of my recollection the best i ever did, they laid easy.

So my question is for a guy like me, how or is it handicapped so i have a half a chance of winning?


There are ways to handicap games Eric. The most simplest would be the opposing player will give you a ball after the break. He'll hand you the 15 ball (depends on both players) and you only have to pocket 46 more, while he has to make 61 to win, or the most common if the skill level are extreme, where you only have to pocket 30 against let's just say, a Dennis Orcullo, who needs to sink 90 to win.

Check post # 40, I posted a money game between Dennis and Lolong, who I consider a shortstop here in the US. Lolong only has to pocket 29 points, while Dennis needs 91 to win. Jay knows Lolong's speed best, you could be a ball or 2 below or above this guy...
 
There are ways to handicap games Eric. The most simplest would be the opposing player will give you a ball after the break. He'll hand you the 15 ball (depends on both players) and you only have to pocket 46 more, while he has to make 61 to win, or the most common if the skill level are extreme, where you only have to pocket 30 against let's just say, a Dennis Orcullo, who needs to sink 90 to win.

Check post # 40, I posted a money game between Dennis and Lolong, who I consider a shortstop here in the US. Lolong only has to pocket 29 points, while Dennis needs 91 to win. Jay knows Lolong's speed best, you could be a ball or 2 below or above this guy...

ok thanks, im going there to play, thx very much
 
Another rule is the only ball you can fowl on is the cue ball. Touch the cue ball you lose your shot. Touch some other ball just put it back and keep on shooting. I don't like this but that is how they play here.
 
Another rule is the only ball you can fowl on is the cue ball. Touch the cue ball you lose your shot. Touch some other ball just put it back and keep on shooting. I don't like this but that is how they play here.


i like that rule, in snooker fouls on all balls is cool, but in rotation games CB fouls only. is my preference
 
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