Run This (37)
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My first stab at this one. I'm not sure I really like it though. I'll work on it more later.
Notice that it's a spiral or a circular layout of balls where each ball goes in either the next pocket or skips one in a clockwise or counterclockwise direction. Certainly something to look for on the table. I think situations like this that come up are what make these exercises worth doing. I just learned this because of Dan's run.
You can also take that circular pattern the other way around the table. I guess the pockets don't have to be sequential to make it work.
My thoughts
Posting without looking at previous post. Apologize if it is a duplicate. This is what looked best to me. But since I am new to 14.1 there are probably problems with it. I liked the 2 ball over the three, unless I was sure I could get a clean hit on the three with it so close to the rack.
Mark
Posting without looking at previous post. Apologize if it is a duplicate. This is what looked best to me. But since I am new to 14.1 there are probably problems with it. I liked the 2 ball over the three, unless I was sure I could get a clean hit on the three with it so close to the rack.
Mark
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Irish, I like yours. Getting on that 9 ball is the only difficulty I see, but should be easy enough to come up with position for the break ball.
Bluesteel, I like yours too. Simple pattern. As Steve Lipsky mentioned a while ago, you want to contact the 2nd to end ball for the ideal below-the-rack break shot. But here the pattern says to me that it's worth taking the inferior break ball to have an easy pattern.
I found myself predicting a couple of easy runouts with this layout only to get trapped when drawing the lines. For example, 1,3,9,6,4,5 looks like a nice end pattern until you realize that the 9 to the 6 leaves you only an inch or two for the proper angle on the 4.
Here's a not so ideal one, but if you're good with controlling draw, I think it's safe:
Bluesteel, I like yours too. Simple pattern. As Steve Lipsky mentioned a while ago, you want to contact the 2nd to end ball for the ideal below-the-rack break shot. But here the pattern says to me that it's worth taking the inferior break ball to have an easy pattern.
I found myself predicting a couple of easy runouts with this layout only to get trapped when drawing the lines. For example, 1,3,9,6,4,5 looks like a nice end pattern until you realize that the 9 to the 6 leaves you only an inch or two for the proper angle on the 4.
Here's a not so ideal one, but if you're good with controlling draw, I think it's safe:
Thank You
I just wanted to thank bluepepper, blackjack, dan white and everybody else that has participated on this forum. I have not played very much 14.1 being primarily a 9 ball or 8 ball player. I plan on participating in the Az state 14.1 this month and all your advice and practice runouts have helped my thought process for the game. Last night I was practicing and ran a 59, without all your knowledge I don't think I would have come close to that run. So.......thanks to everybody who has helped on straight pool!!!!
I just wanted to thank bluepepper, blackjack, dan white and everybody else that has participated on this forum. I have not played very much 14.1 being primarily a 9 ball or 8 ball player. I plan on participating in the Az state 14.1 this month and all your advice and practice runouts have helped my thought process for the game. Last night I was practicing and ran a 59, without all your knowledge I don't think I would have come close to that run. So.......thanks to everybody who has helped on straight pool!!!!
Thanks for the comments. One comment on the 3 ball as a break -- I don't think there is any worry about it being too close to the rack, especially since the rack outline on the table indicates the outside of the rack triangle, not the edge of the balls themselves.
Dan/Blackjack ... Question
That is a good point. The only other thing that may deter me from the three, and remember that I have just started to try and learn the game, is ... may be better posed as a question... What are the chances that a ball out of the rack collides with the three ball? The cue ball will contact the rack at almost the same time, so is there sufficient time for the three ball to clear? Like I said, I am just beginning to learn the game, so this may not even be an issue, but I have witnessed this happening.
Mark
Dan White said:
That is a good point. The only other thing that may deter me from the three, and remember that I have just started to try and learn the game, is ... may be better posed as a question... What are the chances that a ball out of the rack collides with the three ball? The cue ball will contact the rack at almost the same time, so is there sufficient time for the three ball to clear? Like I said, I am just beginning to learn the game, so this may not even be an issue, but I have witnessed this happening.
Mark
Bluesteel said:
This is something I hadn't considered until recently, but I finally realized that the angle you play on the break ball has everything to do with the chances of kisses off of rack balls. It has to do with what percentage of the total force of the cueball will go into the break ball relative to the rest of the force going into the rack.
In a close-to-the-rack break ball, you want more force going into it than you'd need for one further away. The break ball has to be shot with speed in order to get out of the way in time. If you have a steep angle, the force from the cueball is heavily weighted rackwards, the break ball then moves slower towards the pocket giving the rack a much better chance to kiss it.
Bluesteel said:
The only time I've ever had a collision like that is when cutting the break ball EXTREMELY thin so that it just floats down toward the corner pocket slowly. I'm talking about a shot like this:
Having the break ball close to the pack doesn't mean it will get kissed out.
Dan White said:
I rarely do as well. I would guess that it has a lot to do with which ball in the stack you're hitting and what point on that ball. I would think that hitting the 11 ball would be safe because the 11,5 combo would send the 5 toward the bottom cushion. If you hit the 2-ball just wrong however, the 2,7,4,5 combo is likely to pop the 5-ball out toward the bottom long rail and cross the path of the break ball. This is just my assumption. I haven't done anything to prove this.
I believe the 14,8,7,11 could do this as well.
Edit: The above is utter nonsense. I just set up a rack of balls and nudged it with the cueball to see if my assumptions were correct. They weren't. I couldn't get any balls to pop out the way I suggested they might. I guess the kissing only happens when the cut is so thin that the tremendous energy going into the rack causes the corner ball to bounce off of the rail and into the dribbling break ball, as Dan suggested might happen on extremely thin cuts. Sorry.
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