Run This (55)
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I like the 5 over the 4 for a second shot because you have 3 fall back balls if you get too fast and holding on the 4 after the 11 seems awful hard?. The 10, 3 or even the 7 could be insurance balls imo. I'm not that good to not look for a fall back shot if I'm just getting to the table after a 25 or 40 ball time out. Even a 6 ball run can cool me off.
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bluepepper,
Here is what I would "attempt" to do
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Ray
Edit: Not sure what happened to my first page, but here is what I would attempt to do for the first shot (before my runout above).
Here is what I would "attempt" to do
.Ray
Edit: Not sure what happened to my first page, but here is what I would attempt to do for the first shot (before my runout above).
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Crazy? Maybe, but I figure to have the 7 as back up as well as the combination or the 5 if this first shot doesn't come off as expected.
bluepepper said:
bluepepper,
I like this run out. It's risky, but most top players would definitely try to generate a break ball from the 3 balls around the rack area. Plus, you have enough insurance balls to prevent any dead space. I like your thinking on this.
Ray
I saw it the same way as 3andstop had it, with the only exception being not to get in the trees on the 5 Ball.
For the latter pattern of Ray's bumping the 11 Ball , I have a concern and a question. Is the difficulty worth the result ? Is there anything wrong with the Seven as a break ball ?
Good discussion...Tom
For the latter pattern of Ray's bumping the 11 Ball , I have a concern and a question. Is the difficulty worth the result ? Is there anything wrong with the Seven as a break ball ?
Good discussion...Tom
IMO, if you can manufacture a better break ball without risk, it's worth it. Rarely will you see a great player wanting that low 7-ball. Why, I don't know for sure. I assume it's because hitting only the corner ball off of the 7 doesn't allow for a great break out. I've also seen great players scratch off of a low break shot when not using high english. They may hit right between the corner ball and the ball above and carom into the corner pocket.
tpdtom said:
To answer your first question... yes. For 2 reasons. First, that shot is not difficult. It's almost a dead-center ball hit with maybe a little outside. Therefore, I don't see a risk in making the 5 and attempting to bump up the 11. I would feel about 90-95% confident in making this shot.
Second, even if I don't hit the 11 in a good way, I still have the 4, 7, and 10 as insurance balls (with the 7 being the back-up break out ball). So this lowers the risk of this shot even more. When you combine these 2 factors, this really isn't that risky of a shot as there is minimal collateral damage that can be done.
Risk assessment is vital to any good pool game and especially so in 14.1. If there is a possibility to improve the layout of the table without adversely affecting neighboring balls, or the layout in general, then a player should take the shot (assuming they are confident they can execute it). I am by no means an expert or a pro, but this is how I've been taught the game and I see the reason and logic behind it. When you have the chance to "improve" the layout of the table... do it.
As to your second question, I believe the 7 ball is not a good break out ball. It will work if necessary, but it is certainly not the ideal break out ball for a couple of reasons. The most obvious reason is that you will more than likely not get a good breakout because you will just be clipping the corner ball. Hitting the corner ball only generally does not create a great spread (of course there are exceptions to this rule). Another reason is cue ball control after the break out. Normally, as a general rule, you would like to have your cue ball come back out to the center of the table (or in the area) after the breakout shot. On the 7, more than likely, the cue ball would move toward the side rail or toward the corner pocket thus limiting your options after the breakout.
Again, these are just my thoughts and as I stated I am by no means an expert. But these are just general rules of 14.1 that I've either been taught or have discovered on my own. Hope this answers your question.
Ray
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