Run this Rack? How?#4

[Rod]

Does the 15-ball go? It looks like you play the 15-ball in the side, then break out the cluster off the 10-ball.

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If it doesn't go, I like playing the 11-ball in the corner, then moving the 10-ball by the pocket by 5-ball. Don't leave a bank back where the 11-ball was.

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Either way, take care of the 5-ball as early as possible.

Fred

I posted similar last night. Except I can't find my post. Well anyway shoot the 15, 10 to the side, two rails into the 5, not to hard, 11, 9, 13, then 14 to the 8. The 5 may or may not be blocking that corner, doesn't matter shoot it to the lower left corner. After the break out 8 would be appx at pos A.

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Rod

 

[Guru]

My opponent failed his runout and double kissed the 5 for a legal hit safe.
How would you play this?

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I'd start like shown, and finish depending on breakout, but with so many ducks position shouldn't be a problem after getting a bearing on the Eight.

 

[BRKNRUN]

I'd start like shown, and finish depending on breakout, but with so many ducks position shouldn't be a problem after getting a bearing on the Eight.

ON A BAR BOX
I would play it the way you suggest by using the 10-ball...I would probably not play it straight into the balls like you show in the diagram. I would tend to want to come off the side rail as it gives me more room for error....A slight mis judgment that hits the wrong side of the 5 ball looks like a scratch sell out....JMO


ON A 9-FOOT
I would opt for the safe route making the 15 and then playing safe and bumping a "Breakout" ball closer to the 8-5 at the same time for my hopefully "ball in hand" next shot.

 

[Cornerman]

My solution is to bank the 13 into the 8 and 5, putting much more effort into a dead lock-up freeze of the cue ball onto the 14 ball.


Oops. The CB didn't show up on the non-java Wei Table viewer (http://rsbtable.leagueoperator.org/rsbviewer.php) I use at work, so I thought you were starting with BIH. .

LOL!!! I was going to drill you on this, but I had nooooo idea what the hell you were talking about!

Fred

 

[renard]

Sorry it took me so long to get back with you guys. Had to play a league match last night.

I like the option everyone has given with the 10 ball as a breakout ball. Cornerman brought uo the idea of setting up the 10 ball in front of the mess which is sorta what I did:

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Stopshot 15 ball (A)--------Draw back 10 ball to (B)-----------Stopshot 13 ball (C)

 

[Cory in DC]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory in DC
My solution is to bank the 13 into the 8 and 5, putting much more effort into a dead lock-up freeze of the cue ball onto the 14 ball.


Oops. The CB didn't show up on the non-java Wei Table viewer (http://rsbtable.leagueoperator.org/rsbviewer.php) I use at work, so I thought you were starting with BIH.


LOL!!! I was going to drill you on this, but I had nooooo idea what the hell you were talking about!

Fred

I apparently had no idea, either. That's not the first time I thought I had BIH but didn't. (But if I was starting there with BIH, I do like the bank-and-freeze shot.)

Cory

 

[Andrew Manning]

What about playing the 10 into the corner off of the 5 as your breakout? I like doing it like this:

*15 (stop)
*11 (come 2 rails to leave the cueball behind the 10 so that you have a straight shot to hit the 10 into the 5)
*10 (stop the cueball, make the 10 hit the 5 with a half-ball hit and kiss into the corner, the 5 comes 2 feet or so out toward center-table)
*9 (follow around for the 13 and 14 in the lower left corner, in either order)
*13, 14 (or 14, 13)
*8

All the positional shots are very simple, the only risk involved is not making the 10-ball after the kiss off the 5, but even if you don't, you stand a good chance of blocking up the 8 and/or 5 with the 10, and forcing him to play safe while you have plenty of balls left on the table to safe him back with.

-Andrew

 

[renard]

What about playing the 10 into the corner off of the 5 as your breakout? I like doing it like this:

*15 (stop)
*11 (come 2 rails to leave the cueball behind the 10 so that you have a straight shot to hit the 10 into the 5)
*10 (stop the cueball, make the 10 hit the 5 with a half-ball hit and kiss into the corner, the 5 comes 2 feet or so out toward center-table)
*9 (follow around for the 13 and 14 in the lower left corner, in either order)
*13, 14 (or 14, 13)
*8

All the positional shots are very simple, the only risk involved is not making the 10-ball after the kiss off the 5, but even if you don't, you stand a good chance of blocking up the 8 and/or 5 with the 10, and forcing him to play safe while you have plenty of balls left on the table to safe him back with.

-Andrew

I like that option but if I did it, it would be like putting all my eggs in one basket with that position on the 10 ball. That's why I played a safe pushing the 13 in a can't miss situation for the breakout off the 5 ball...

 

[bruin70]

I like that option but if I did it, it would be like putting all my eggs in one basket with that position on the 10 ball. That's why I played a safe pushing the 13 in a can't miss situation for the breakout off the 5 ball...

i couldn't tell that the 13 went from where the cb was sitting.

 

[renard]

i couldn't tell that the 13 went from where the cb was sitting.

From my last diagram? I played safe. Not really understanding what you are stating.

 

[Colin Colenso]

Fred's shot, if you can get where you want on the 10 early is an ok option but a few potential problems.

You could scratch off the 8, or bump it up into your 14, 13 ball cluster. Even worse, if you hit it bad trying to avoid these by hitting the 5 first you may thin cut the 5 onto the 8 and pocket it.

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I want BIH on the 10 ball, or another ball I can knock up there after a couple of shots.

I think I would play the 15 ball first, not to pocket it but just to get a good hook, hoping he'll do something stupid and leave me an easy BIH to play the 10 onto off the 5 ball. The shot looks almost un-missable as diagrammed.

 

[bruin70]

From my last diagram? I played safe. Not really understanding what you are stating.

i'm sorry....i meant i couldn't tell if the 15 went from where the cb was,,,,or if the 14 was blocking its way.

but yeah, if the 15 is clear, then i have to agree,. 15 first will get you a natural angle for the 10 into the 5/8. it's really a no brainer, imo. sometimes i feel funny on these 15ball shots. if so, i'll opt for thr duck 11 first.

 

[Guru]

For some, it was tough to tell that the 15 would pass. Having a laptop I could turn it and look at an angle and see the clearance; not recommended with a desktop monitor.

I like your tactic renard, with the safety play, but as another school of thought from mine it seems. I probably tend towards more aggressive play, knowing that every time my opponent walks up to the table it's up to them to fail and is out is out of my hands. I hate watching them pulling off a miracle kick and foiling my "perfect plan". (I love watching them do it against others though ) I guess it's that agro, "if they aren't at the table, there's no way they can beat me" attitude. (yes, yes, I beat myself plenty, but that's another story) Now, with all that said, just don't ask me what shot(s) I'd take if my rent money was sitting up on that light.

 

[bruin70]

For some, it was tough to tell that the 15 would pass. Having a laptop I could turn it and look at an angle and see the clearance; not recommended with a desktop monitor.

I like your tactic renard, with the safety play, but as another school of thought from mine it seems. I probably tend towards more aggressive play, knowing that every time my opponent walks up to the table it's up to them to fail and is out is out of my hands. I hate watching them pulling off a miracle kick and foiling my "perfect plan". (I love watching them do it against others though ) I guess it's that agro, "if they aren't at the table, there's no way they can beat me" attitude. (yes, yes, I beat myself plenty, but that's another story) Now, with all that said, just don't ask me what shot(s) I'd take if my rent money was sitting up on that light.

i don't like safety play on this layout. no reason for it. there are 2 hangers for insurance, only one problem area. given that anything can happen, why let your opponent back to the table.

 

[Guru]

i don't like safety play on this layout. no reason for it. there are 2 hangers for insurance, only one problem area. given that anything can happen, why let your opponent back to the table.

Seems we're on the same page, but I am really enjoying hearing all the different styles of play and the reasoning behind each.

 

[renard]

Guru and Bruin I completely understand where your coming from. With two balls at will call in front of pockets you can play a little looser. If position cannot be obtained for a breakout after a couple of tries then you could lay up a safe.

My thoughts were it's not a high percentage kick for my opponent. But the again when I'm playing Murphys law would come into effect!

Thanks guys.