Run this rack? How? #5

[renard]

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So I feel pretty confident going into this one when I commit the cardinal sin of getting out of line of my planned runout! (The 3 ball is my most difficult ball to make without moving my opponents balls. Make the 3 roll forward to clean up the 1, 2, &5.) Heres what I did:

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I took the opening shot for granted thinking I could hold up for the 3. I know you can run this one out better than I did

 

[bruin70]

if i don't like how the 6 lays, and if the stripes lay right, i drop the 13 and roll the cb to pick off the 9 and 11 in either the side pocket or corner pocket. pull the cb out a little for the 12, and bump draw to free the 10 which will carom off the 3 and towards the corner pocket. drop the 10 and bring the cb out for the 14/15. 13-9-11-12-10-15-14-8

if i think i can control the cb off the 6, then i'll try 6-5-3-7-2-1-4-8

 

[Jal]

6-7-3-5-1-2-4-8

Most of these would be short draws for position or stun shots with the exception of following the 5 to get on the 1, and drawing back from the 2 to and off the upper long rail to get on the 4. If I got too much angle on the 7, I'd still try the same sequence but come off the upper rail for position on the 3.

Jim

 

[lamar25]

Sorry

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So I feel pretty confident going into this one when I commit the cardinal sin of getting out of line of my planned runout! (The 3 ball is my most difficult ball to make without moving my opponents balls. Make the 3 roll forward to clean up the 1, 2, &5.) Heres what I did:

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I took the opening shot for granted thinking I could hold up for the 3. I know you can run this one out better than I did

Unable to read your sign language.
Lamar

 

[renard]

Unable to read your sign language.
Lamar

See all that start end stuff?
Highlite it with a right click hold, then left click on what you highlited.
Right click on copy.
Then at the top of this page is a drop down from the quick links.
Click on wei table.
Then left click on the red bar that says, "Paste"

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

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So I feel pretty confident going into this one when I commit the cardinal sin of getting out of line of my planned runout! (The 3 ball is my most difficult ball to make without moving my opponents balls. Make the 3 roll forward to clean up the 1, 2, &5.) Heres what I did:

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I took the opening shot for granted thinking I could hold up for the 3. I know you can run this one out better than I did

Actually, I have a few concerns about that first shot on the six. Not only is it difficult to hold up for the 7, you're likely running into the 9/11 cluster. If the cue-ball ends up there, you're playing safe immediately (unless you luck out and get a shot on the 1). the other problem is if you draw to avoid that cluster, you're liable to scratch in the side.

Now, it's always difficult to read a Wei-table the same way you would read a normal one so you can take my advice for what it's worth. I'd shoot the 3-ball first. I know, I'm opening up shots for my opponent and I'm liable to tie up a few of my own but I'm guaranteed a shot afterward (the six in the side or the seven in the corner) AND I won't scratch. On top of that, the 9 & 11 cluster remains intact which means my opponent still has their work cut out for them if I opt to play safe later on.

The key to getting out here is getting on the 1/2. Immediately after playing the 3, you have to map out a plan to get the cue-ball in position to address them. If they're tied up from your shot on the 3, consider playing safe. If they're still open (and there's a good chance they will be), you must ABSOLUTELY MAKE SURE you pick out a ball that will get you there and get proper position for it (ie., near straight on the 5). Do that and this table is a Micky Mouse out. Use the 7 as your key-ball for the 8. Get as straight as possible for the corner, roll-up and play the 8 in the side.

 

[Rod]

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So I feel pretty confident going into this one when I commit the cardinal sin of getting out of line of my planned runout! (The 3 ball is my most difficult ball to make without moving my opponents balls. Make the 3 roll forward to clean up the 1, 2, &5.) Heres what I did:

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I took the opening shot for granted thinking I could hold up for the 3. I know you can run this one out better than I did

The whole key to this run is the angle on the 6. If it isn't quite as much as it appears to be then I'd shoot a slow slider in there and play the 6 - 7 -3 -1 -2 -5 in the side, 4 then the 8 in the side. It all depends on the 6 ball angle then setting up for a straight in shot on the 3 after the 7. Then the 1, leaving a good angle on the 2 to the 5. The 5 needs to be left near straight so position to the 4 is simple. All in all the run is fairly simple with good c/b control but that angle on the 6 is questionable.

Rod

 

[cheesemouse]

Renard,
I think you made your first mistake earlier when you choose the solids. The more I look at this layout, even concidering some wei table differnces in the ball positions I can not convince myself that stripes are not the set of balls for making a clean runout. In your post you say "without moving my opponents balls" and then you start with a shot that lets the cueball go with a chance to move balls. I think before you selected a set of balls you should have concidered how many stripes were close to the eight ball. When both sets of balls are runable but one set of balls has more close to the eight ball that set of balls should be given special concideration before you pull the trigger. I agree with Bruin70, take the stripes here everytime.

 

[Solartje]

bruins runout for the stripes, jal's runout for the solids. sorry no different idea. i had exactly the same in mind. but a slight preference for the solid's. the 9-11 would be my problems balls. not sure i could pot those 2 with 95% chance...

 

[moosepool]

I agree with Bruin and Cheesemouse here. The stripes look to be an easier out from where you start. Sure you could shoot at the six and try and hold it but you are still risking going into that cluster and hooking yourself. The stripes look more runnable with less issues. 10 and 12 are your only problem balls but since they lay next to each other you should be able to pocket one and bump out the other with relatively good control. There are several ways you could go about finishing that rack with stripes. If there was not quite as much angle on the 6 as it appears the solids would have been the better or at least equally good of a choice.

 

[Jersey]

I would play 6 LC, 5 RC, 1 LC, 2 RC, 3 LS, 7 LC, 4 <LC, 8 RS...Out...

 

[lamar25]

See all that start end stuff?
Highlite it with a right click hold, then left click on what you highlited.
Right click on copy.
Then at the top of this page is a drop down from the quick links.
Click on wei table.
Then left click on the red bar that says, "Paste"

Sorry "renard",
To much trouble, SORRY.

"I resign from this thread",
Lamar

 

[moosepool]

See all that start end stuff?
Highlite it with a right click hold, then left click on what you highlited.
Right click on copy.
Then at the top of this page is a drop down from the quick links.
Click on wei table.
Then left click on the red bar that says, "Paste"

Sorry "renard",
To much trouble, SORRY.

"I resign from this thread",
Lamar

Renard actually had it backwards. At least with any mouse that I have ever used. You are actually supposed to highlight the part after the "START" and all the way to the "END" by holding the LEFT mouse button. Then RIGHT click on the highlighted segment to bring up a window. Then select copy in the window using the LEFT mouse button. Next go up to the quick links at the top of the page and click on WEI TABLE. Then simply click on the red PASTE button in the window. It might ask you a question about moving stuff from your clipboard onto that page so just click yes. Also if its the first time you've ever used this (I assume it is) then you might have to download something to let you view it. Hope this clears things up. I saw the mistake earlier and should have corrected it.

 

[kyle]

You can post the wei tables as pictures, hold shift+prtscn, open paint and paste, crop and save as jpeg. When making message upload your pic from manage attachments (browse). Post the code also so people can respond, I like the how to? threads but they always end up being how to see the wei table threads.

 

[Gabber]

A possibility is taking the 5 and drawing across to pos A. This gives you the choice of 3 balls. If you go too far, its an easy roll-in to get rid of the 6. Its a good % shot.
In this position , when the first ball is crucial, I would rather hit a shot where I dont have to hold back, like I might do on the 6- depends on the angle.

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Gabber.

 

[bruin70]

A possibility is taking the 5 and drawing across to pos A. This gives you the choice of 3 balls. If you go too far, its an easy roll-in to get rid of the 6. Its a good % shot.
In this position , when the first ball is crucial, I would rather hit a shot where I dont have to hold back, like I might do on the 6- depends on the angle.

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Gabber.

certainly one advantage of your shot is you can stroke it and come off the rail,,,,while you're right-dropping the 6 requires control to hold the cb

 

[bruin70]

Sorry "renard",
To much trouble, SORRY.

"I resign from this thread",
Lamar

hey lamar ,,,don't go away. this is basic computereeze

1...you have to hilite the mumbo jumbo from the beginning of "start" to the end of "end". place your cursor just before "start", hold down the left button on your mouse, and drag the cursor through all that mumbo jumbo to the end of "end". as you do this you will see the line being hilited as you go along...attachment 1

2...when the line, AND ONLY THE LINE to include "start,,,,,,,,,,end", is hilited, keeping your mouse at the end of "end", you can now lift your finger off the left button since now the whole line is hilited. now you right click and a drop down menu will appear. you choose "copy"...attachment 2

then go to the wei table and click "paste", and ok a couple of times...attachment 3

 

[renard]

Renard actually had it backwards. At least with any mouse that I have ever used. You are actually supposed to highlight the part after the "START" and all the way to the "END" by holding the LEFT mouse button. Then RIGHT click on the highlighted segment to bring up a window. Then select copy in the window using the LEFT mouse button. Next go up to the quick links at the top of the page and click on WEI TABLE. Then simply click on the red PASTE button in the window. It might ask you a question about moving stuff from your clipboard onto that page so just click yes. Also if its the first time you've ever used this (I assume it is) then you might have to download something to let you view it. Hope this clears things up. I saw the mistake earlier and should have corrected it.

Sorry your right, I'm wrong!

 

[renard]

Sorry I don't get back to this right away guys.
-The 5 ball could be hit on the opening shot if you threw it with english.
-I didn't want to shoot the 3 right off in fear of creating additional clusters.
-The positions of the 10 and 12 are pretty close to where they are depicted in the wei. For some reason I didn't believe thet were makeable at the time and needed to be brokeout.

Anyhow this was my next shot:

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