Run your own chip tournament, new version released today!
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Chip format is good for an "informal" tournament because it eliminates the long waits associated with double elimination tourneys. When a good time is more important than accurate results, this is the way to go.
Most versions favor slower players however.
Most versions favor slower players however.
The chip tournament most popular locally is a regular round robin tournament where players are eliminated at a certain number of losses which eliminates long waits and keeps 1 player from holding a table. I guess it would be similar to a knockout round robin. We run it on paper as never
found any software to do this. Anyone have any ideas? The lightning software works good but not with a small number of players like 12-14
Hi Ralph,
in what way does Lightning Chip not work well with 12 players? I'm very curious because if I can adjust it I will.
Thanks!
I do have software for this if you'd like to try it. It's basically a double elimination tournament but each round is a random redraw. Let me know!
Lightning Chip highlights slow games so the TD is aware if anyone is playing slow on purpose.
In my experience, it is very hard to find good TDs. If you can figure out a way to move all of the control/decisions into the software, you will prevent problems.Lightning Chip highlights slow games so the TD is aware if anyone is playing slow on purpose.
Agreed. When any game goes long in Lightning Chip it turns red for all to see, even in the web status.
Is it possible to build in a "slow tax"? Maybe a loss costs two chips but a slow win costs a chip.
Or maybe every hour the player with the fewest games pays a tax.
It's not impossible, if I thought anyone would use it I could make it behave that way. Imagine telling a player "Well yes, you won, but I'm taking a chip anyway because there were too many safeties that game."
I probably can't explain it all but for instance if say you have 2 625+ fargo players and the rest average like 500 and they don't draw each other very early they can hold the tables for quite awhile while all the lower players knock each other off. That is sort of like a king of the hill tournament where you hold a table till getting beat. Also lower ranked players can end up playing each other pretty frequently. I am not saying anything is wrong with lightning just our players like the round robin better. Its just a real pain to run on paper so its been discontinued after probably 6-8 years. We did not redraw after each round but just let it run a couple of rounds then did a redraw.
It's true, the better players will win more games and hold the table longer. Not much you can do about that in chip format.
If you do think about running a chip tourney, please give Lightning Chip a try!
You mentioned adjustments so what would happen if a player won like 2-3 in a row he would just get bumped to the bottom of the list for next up? Would that be possible or create a new problem. I am just trying to figure out how I can use your program and keep my people happy. We went back to double elimination and went from thirty + to maybe 20 In a month
I really think you have to trust the format. The best adjustments you can make is to get your fargo to chip ratio correct. Really good players should be able to win, but it should be very difficult for them. Chip tournaments favor weaker players by design, if everyone has a real chance you will get more players to show up. The really strong players won't like the format, but there are not as many of them, so who cares? Give your worst players 8 chips, and 700+ fargo players get 3, 4 at the most.
The reason you don't want to bump a player from the table after 3 wins is that rewards the player. Now they are safe, and can't lose any chips until the whole line rotates through. Incoming player breaks, wild 9 after the break, you'll have a fast/fun tourney with some luck involved, it will keep the strong players from dominating.
Give your worst players 8 chips, and 700+ fargo players get 3, 4 at the most.The reason you don't want to bump a player from the table after 3 wins is that rewards the player. Now they are safe, and can't lose any chips until the whole line rotates through. Incoming player breaks, wild 9 after the break, you'll have a fast/fun tourney with some luck involved, it will keep the strong players from dominating.