Safety or Run Out?
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I would definitely play for the safety here. Let the other guy try and be a hero with a lower percentage shot you leave him on the six ball than the one you currently have. Just my two cents.
Both
The best shot is to do both. Bank the 6 cross-corner with a medium stop stroke. If it goes, you're straight in on the 7, and should get out. If it misses, then you're safe.
Doc
The best shot is to do both. Bank the 6 cross-corner with a medium stop stroke. If it goes, you're straight in on the 7, and should get out. If it misses, then you're safe.
Doc
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gulfportdoc said:
Two reasons why I wouldn't bank this ball as gulfportdoc suggests:
1) There is too much room for error. Get the speed wrong and you leaveyour opponant a shot on the six (or at least a hit).
2) Even if you make it, you leave yourself a little too close to your work with the 7 ball. You may not end up straight in. Now you've got a big angle and you're right on top of the object ball.
I'd play the six down the rail into the corner with a little bit of right english. Play the right speed (medium stroke), and you should come cross table and back (above the side pocket). From there, the rest of the out is easy.
easy out
No reason not to play the out here. 6 up using outside english, cue to the center of table, then 7, and 8 in the same hole as the 6 and you are done. I guess it all depends on your abilty to play, and how you feel that night, and who you are playing against. You won't get away with too many safties against world class players, they just return the favor to you with a GOD like kick that comes out smelling like roses. So when you have the chance to end it, I say take it.
No reason not to play the out here. 6 up using outside english, cue to the center of table, then 7, and 8 in the same hole as the 6 and you are done. I guess it all depends on your abilty to play, and how you feel that night, and who you are playing against. You won't get away with too many safties against world class players, they just return the favor to you with a GOD like kick that comes out smelling like roses. So when you have the chance to end it, I say take it.
The SAFE shot is SO EASY and it leaves a chance that I will get ball in hand with a then 99.9% run out chance. If i have money on the line ... im going safe unless im a dead nut run. Why take a chance, im no pro.
If I were just playing with no pressure or if I were drunk playing for money I would go for the 6 bank, from that point its cake
If I were just playing with no pressure or if I were drunk playing for money I would go for the 6 bank, from that point its cake
I'll take this idea even further to suggest that regardless of how you're playing and who you're up against, all of the other options (safeties and all) don't make things any easier for anyone.PROG8R said:
So, even these lock-up safeties that are suggested have to be executed, and you have to get ball in hand. With ball-in-hand, there's no guarantee that the out is any easier. Without ball-in-hand, there's no guarantee that the out doesn't become more difficult.
Let's say we play the lock-up safety. The way the balls are positioned, I think to actually stick the ball to the 7-ball is asking a lot. So, I think this might be the position, anywhere up to, say, Point A:
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If your opponent gives you ball-in-hand (which too many people assume will happen), is the runout easier? I don't think so, even if you're a tall left-hander. The cueball path now is going the "wrong way," crossing the position zone through the narrower end or having to work farther down table to get "good." Does ball-in-hand truly make things easier for the out? These are the things to think about, IMO.
If you don't get ball-in-hand (which I'll say is about 50% for anyone given the realistic safety leave), then you have a probability to have either a much harder out or no out at all. Weighing these probabilities, and gauging the layout at hand vs. what could be, then shooting the out now looks better and better.
IMO, the goal should be that when you're left with this layout, you should be thinking "I can get out from here," rather than "what if I can't get out from here."
Fred
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Depends...
My selection of run out or safety would depend on the table conditions.
If it's an easy non-shimed table w/5 inch pockets: I would go for the run.
If the table has been tightly shimmed, had tight pockets by lengthening the rubber, or humid conditions (whereas if you touch rubber it doesn't go): I would play safe.
However, I really like doc's solution to pinch the bank to the corner, hold the cue ball for shape on the 7 if it goes, otherwise a reasonable safety. May not be the lock down safety people have discussed, but it gives you an opportunity to win and a great chance to get back to the table if it doesn't.
My selection of run out or safety would depend on the table conditions.
If it's an easy non-shimed table w/5 inch pockets: I would go for the run.
If the table has been tightly shimmed, had tight pockets by lengthening the rubber, or humid conditions (whereas if you touch rubber it doesn't go): I would play safe.
However, I really like doc's solution to pinch the bank to the corner, hold the cue ball for shape on the 7 if it goes, otherwise a reasonable safety. May not be the lock down safety people have discussed, but it gives you an opportunity to win and a great chance to get back to the table if it doesn't.
Safety or Run ?
Appears a safety shot would be have a high probability of success, ie no good shot for the opponent or get ball in hand. As diagramed I would hit a straight on stop shot softly to hide behind the 7 & 8 leaving the six near the second diamond on the upper right rail.
Making the 6 is doable but there is a risk of scratching in the upper side pocket. With a thin cut on the 6 it could be tricky keeping the cueball in the lower half of the table in position for the 7 ball.
Jigger
Snorks said:
Appears a safety shot would be have a high probability of success, ie no good shot for the opponent or get ball in hand. As diagramed I would hit a straight on stop shot softly to hide behind the 7 & 8 leaving the six near the second diamond on the upper right rail.
Making the 6 is doable but there is a risk of scratching in the upper side pocket. With a thin cut on the 6 it could be tricky keeping the cueball in the lower half of the table in position for the 7 ball.
Jigger
I'd play at least one safe before attempting the runout.
Black Cat
Black Cat
There's no reason not to run this setup out. (notice I didn't say TRY), you get natural shape off the six off the rail for the 7. You're not going to find too many places that you can hide the CB in this setup that aren't easily reachable by kick or jump.
I'm finding this very interesting, it is approximately 50/50 on whether you would attempt to run out or if you would play a safety.
I didn't vote but before I started thinking about safety's I would of definitely attempted it and would of had <60% chance of being sucessful. Looks to me that if you are going to attempt the run, you should be confident > 70% that you can get out, otherwise the safe appears to be a good option.
Hmm.. I would still try the run-out today and try to ensure that if I missed the cut, I overcut the shot. If I make the first shot, I would be 80%+ confident I would be out. First shot to me however is the tough one. If I miss the cut, there is a chance that the 6 would be fairly safe (assuming an over-cut). Undercut and I think most opponents would be out.
I didn't vote but before I started thinking about safety's I would of definitely attempted it and would of had <60% chance of being sucessful. Looks to me that if you are going to attempt the run, you should be confident > 70% that you can get out, otherwise the safe appears to be a good option.
Hmm.. I would still try the run-out today and try to ensure that if I missed the cut, I overcut the shot. If I make the first shot, I would be 80%+ confident I would be out. First shot to me however is the tough one. If I miss the cut, there is a chance that the 6 would be fairly safe (assuming an over-cut). Undercut and I think most opponents would be out.
Cornerman said:
Cornerman-man,
No. There's probably only 3/4 of an acre of position zone.
Anyone not trying for this runout in Betmore's Basement would be offered a skirt and some lipstick.