Do both players have to have the Salotto and FargoRate apps on their phones to make this work? I am going to set up a match with someone local and would have to let him know, if he needs it.
Salotto and FargoRate
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Both players have to confirm results of the match. That would indicate both guys have to have the app. I figured that's how it works, but could not find it stated.
I did my first match with a friend. We played a race of 9 ball, 8 ball, 10 ball and 9 ball again. It pushed him over 200 to get his FargoRate established and it took me up from 61 robustness to 116. So I'm pleased with that.
Here's what I learned from the process...
Here's what I learned from the process...
- You both need the Salotto app installed on your phone
- You both will want to setup your Salotto logins in advance
- One of you needs to be a Salotto PRO member to host a game (I just paid $50 for the year)
- The other can be a Salotto FREE member to join a game
- You both will want Salotto to know who you are in FargoRate
- I forgot what the steps for this part is.
- Both players probably should already have the FargoRate app to be safe
- Both players probably should have their username/password established with FargoRate also
- Salotto will hold your hand through getting this connected.
- Both players will setup their Salotto profiles
- Sadly, I don't have a pool hall in my city. If you're playing at a personal residence, I wouldn't enter in your street address. I would just put in your "city, state" generically.
- The PRO Member will host a set (This costs money like $2 for a race to 10)
- To make your game easy to find, mark the location as the "city, state" that's in the other guy's profile
- You can give games on the wire
- The FREE Member will search for a game (finding the one you're hosting) and challenge the host
- The host will accept the challenge
- It'll ask "Did A or B win Game 1?" followed by "Did A or B win Game 2?" and so forth
- Either player can answer the question
- Any given game can be changed
- We opted both to keep score in Salotto and on the table with coins
- Once you complete the set...
- It'll ask each player to confirm the final result
- It'll ask each player if the other was "good action"
- You'll see this set immediately in your Salotto App under "My Games" -> Previous Matches
- You'll see this set immediately in your FargoRate App under "Match History" and others will see this set when looking you up under "Public Matches"
- Any set completed before midnight will update your robustness and rating sometime the following morning.
- Any set completed after midnight won't update until the next morning after that.
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Thanks for the info! I talked to a few guys and looks like there is about six of us that will do this.
Thanks Matt for the concise response. You nailed it. I am Co-founder of Salotto and so glad to see you finding value in getting your matches logged. If anyone using the app has any questions feel free to give me a shout either by email, colby@salotto.app or my cell 307-267-0549. Here's to playing more matches and making them official!
2$ a set just to get a fargorate? I think this 2$ per match plus the 50$ per year membership will kill the app. If there is a yearly fee then the per match fee should be smaller, if the per match fee is large then the per year fee should be smaller. I speak this from business experience and I know that poor pricing kills niche products.
The goal should be universal adoption and there is competition like free facebook groups etc. The higher the price the more the product will rely on a few people using it willing to pay a relatively high price than a ton of people using it willing to pay a lower price.
I'm not saying I wouldn't be willing to try the app once i get the vaccine, but I think paying 2$ a match if you play a lot of matches will get old really quick.
The goal should be universal adoption and there is competition like free facebook groups etc. The higher the price the more the product will rely on a few people using it willing to pay a relatively high price than a ton of people using it willing to pay a lower price.
I'm not saying I wouldn't be willing to try the app once i get the vaccine, but I think paying 2$ a match if you play a lot of matches will get old really quick.
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Hey Pw! Thanks for expressing some feedback. My Business partner and I are both long time avid players and have enjoyed bringing this service to the pool world, we welcome all the feedback.
I'll try to provide some understanding for this pricing. First, they're two separate charges, one from FargoRate, and our Salotto Membership fee. Think of these like league fees, and sanction fees (like a league that sends data to FargoRate). If you nail it down, the 1.99 for race to 10 that goes hill-hill is about .10 per game. At ten cents a game, it's one of the cheapest ways to get an official game result sent to FargoRate, plus it can be done at your own house with people you feel comfortable playing right now.
Our fee for the annual membership of 49.99 comes from the logic that a league charges about that for an average 4 month season, plus the nightly fees, green fees, and of course even a beer here and there. Based on user feedback on pricing we got early on in development, 4.99 a month, or 49.99 a year is where they felt the value matched the proposition. At 4.99 per month, or the price of a drink at the bar, our users have enjoyed the ability to make their home matches verified and official. We hope to see you out there someday and get a set!
Thanks! Holler if you'd like to talk more we'd love to catch up. 307-267-0549
You are talking to someone who has never played league so I wouldn't know the cost of one. It just seemed to me that you could charge more for the yearly fee and less for the per match, or vise versa. I guess the main difference is the league is obviously not cheap to play in but at the end of a session you have a chance to 'win' and get some or all of those fees back. Here you don't and I think a lot of players will just submit sets until their Fargo rate is established and then stop submitting. Basically there is no tangible benefit to submitting past a certain point due to the cost.
This is not intended to be a knock, just feedback, and obviously my guess/opinion is just one person and perhaps the majority feel differently but I would be completely shocked if that were the case. My opinion is that you will do best with a small or maybe even no annual fee. I'm not making any insinuations as to value or worth, only the reality of what people are going to be willing to pay and that will make for the most usage and get the most money in your pocket on net. I think that sweet spot will be with somewhere under a $10 annual fee, and then a few bucks per match.
I feel pretty certain that with anything over a $10 annual fee you will have already lost the vast majority of pool players who just aren't even going to consider it. Having any annual fee at all might actually be that tipping point where you just lose the vast majority but you might get away with $5 or perhaps $10. I know that sounds like a massive revenue loss, but I truly believe you would ultimately net more money that way because of how much the adoption/usage is going to suffer with a large annual fee.
If you aren't convinced that would ultimately be able to meet your revenue needs then look to make it up by increasing the per match charge, but having an annual fee, especially one over a few bucks, is going to kill your business in my opinion by assuring extremely low adoption rates. If you ever find yourself in a position where adoption rates are failing to meet goals/desires/expectations, look to the large annual fee because that is almost certainly going to be the prime culprit in my opinion.
During COVID, I can't imagine it any other way. After COVID, I'm betting it's based on the popularity of the platform in your region. I get the impression this thing is new and there's a good chance that'll be the experience initially in regions that are gradually adopting it and it'll be the experience indefinitely in regions that don't adopt it at all. My personal experience with it was about wanting to get my FargoRate established and that for me is going to be me arranging matches outside the platform and playing the matches inside the platform. That kind of activity could be the kind of catalyst to one day see more matches available.
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I feel the same way. I'm not saying your work isn't valuable, but ANY yearly fee is just cutting your adoption rate to nothing. I'd be willing to guess with a $40 one you might be courting 5% of the players with any interest in your system. Even a $10 yearly fee is a tough sell, but will probably net you a lot more customers. The $2 isn't bad for a full match. When you have a new app or new tech, adoption rates are king. If you don't get all the customers you can, as quickly as you can, somebody will come up with a similar app with a lower fee and a catchier name and you're in trouble. If you're in this for the long haul, it might be best to try to get as large of a market share as you can and build loyalty that way before someone else comes in and snipes your potential customers. I could also be dead wrong, but it's something to think about.
This is all great feedback thanks so much for the interest and concise comments, customer feedback is a great way to tailor a product. PW, as a voice of a non-league player thank you for the great comments. Salotto is proving to be a fit for the non-league player who wants to have some level of verification and competitive pressure woven into their regular playing. You did mention that leagues have giveaways and even cash to win back the fees, Salotto does this as well and we're currently growing that piece of our service as well. Standby for updates on this as I'll post them as they become available.
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When you set the length of the race, just before you begin the match it will ask you if you want to give weight.
This is when you can give the opponent a start, to make it a handicapped match.