Schon hit

[Ronoh]

Hence, as stated previously, "to each their own". There is no right or wrong of a cue (if it's manufactured properly), just depends on the person stroking that particular cue.

That's why pool is such a great game, many, many, variables.

 

[bogey54311]

schon cue w/predator shaft truely a secret weapon.

yup yup......huge combo.

the meucci and the schon are gonna hit WAY different. see if you can try someone elses first.
they both play good, it's what you like better.
some people badmouth meucci.....i pulled one out of the wrapper and ran 100+ playing straightpool.

hope you find the cue that fits you best.

it makes all the difference.


chris

 

[scottycoyote]

yeah i agree with the guy who said if someones new.......how are they going to know what they like to order a custom cue?

I mean ive been playing off and on for 20 years and only in the last 3 or 4 have i gotten to the point to know exactly what i want in a cue enough to convey it to a cuemaker.

also my main playing cue is an old schon......so i agree, go with the schon, if you dont like it you wont lose anything.

 

[shortshooter]

I have been playing a few years with an old Schon R15 with a 314.
I don't think I could play any better with another cue.

Also, if I were to have a custom cue made I could only tell the cue maker to copy the Schon. (apart from the inlays, or course)

Just my thoughts!

Jon.

 

[drivermaker]

They are supposedly very good, high quality cues but you can also argue that Schons dont come close to the quality and playability of most custom cues.

I would vehemently disagree with that statement and I think anyone that owns one as well as customs, or at least has hit a number of customs would also disagree. How in the hell could you possibly gain more playability? How does that happen? The quality of a Schon is superb. As you've mentioned, you haven't even hit one or owned a Schon. You've turned into a custom cue snob who THINKS that the magic word "custom" on someone's business card means something more. It doesn't in many cases.

 

[drivermaker]

Schon's hit is fantastic. Also they have great balance, feel, and detail. I got a STL-3 last month and I'm not disappointed...but today I started using a McD I-2 shaft with it and I'm liking that combination a bit better than the original shaft because there is less adjustment on shots with english. To my (pleasant) surprise, the hit still feels very solid with the new shaft.

Ed

I can also guarantee you that the weight and balance changed quite a bit from changing the original Schon shaft to the I-2. Weigh and measure the balance on both and see the difference for yourself. Man, can't you FEEl it?

 

[Koop]

I would vehemently disagree with that statement and I think anyone that owns one as well as customs, or at least has hit a number of customs would also disagree. How in the hell could you possibly gain more playability? How does that happen? The quality of a Schon is superb. As you've mentioned, you haven't even hit one or owned a Schon. You've turned into a custom cue snob who THINKS that the magic word "custom" on someone's business card means something more. It doesn't in many cases.

I completely agree.
Although I'm kind of a custom cue snob now I still love the hit of a Schon and would own one again in a heartbeat.
I haven't hit with a ton of different customs but the ones I have played with, I would definitely rate Schon right up there with them if not above.

JMO,
Koop

 

[NOSAJ03]

I would vehemently disagree with that statement and I think anyone that owns one as well as customs, or at least has hit a number of customs would also disagree. How in the hell could you possibly gain more playability? How does that happen? The quality of a Schon is superb. As you've mentioned, you haven't even hit one or owned a Schon. You've turned into a custom cue snob who THINKS that the magic word "custom" on someone's business card means something more. It doesn't in many cases.

Wow, did this just get ugly??? I didnt say that you gain more playability, I just stated that it is possible to argue your same statement but in favor of custom cues. Im not babdmouthing Schons in anyway. If I could find one at a decent price I wouldnt mind playing with one just to try one out and maybe I may prefer it over a "custom" cue. I may be wrong but apparently you have issues with "custom" cues or maybe cuemakers. As for me being a cue snob, not even close. Like I said before I wouldnt mind buying a production cue for the right price, Ive owned many and in regards to other people disagreeing, well you would have to ask them but I can guarantee you that many would agree. I guess we will have to agree to disagree

 

[Shorty]

I would vehemently disagree with that statement and I think anyone that owns one as well as customs, or at least has hit a number of customs would also disagree. How in the hell could you possibly gain more playability? How does that happen? The quality of a Schon is superb. As you've mentioned, you haven't even hit one or owned a Schon. You've turned into a custom cue snob who THINKS that the magic word "custom" on someone's business card means something more. It doesn't in many cases.

Holy sh*t...I gotta agree with drivermaker here!

I see custom cuemakers all the time come out with cues with very uneven points and vaneers, I won't name names, but some would surprise some of you people. I would MUCH rather pay my money for a production cue with nice even points and inlays with good and sound quality behind it, than to buy a production cue and find all those flaws.

And furthermore, I dare you to go find a Schon like mine ANYWHERE in the world. Not saying its unique in looks, but with two custom screw in 12 inch extensions not to mention a kickass lizard skin wrap. So by my standards, my Schon is "custom".

It's your money, you spend it how you like though is the main thing.

Shorty

 

[Schwinn]

I can also guarantee you that the weight and balance changed quite a bit from changing the original Schon shaft to the I-2. Weigh and measure the balance on both and see the difference for yourself. Man, can't you FEEl it?

Yes, the weight difference is significant. I can FEEL it The I-series shafts as you point out, are very light. I noticed it the second I took it out of the box.

Although that moves the balance point back some, it didn't seem to mess up my game any. Didn't feel bad, just lighter. My only complaint with the I-2 is that it doesn't screw on as tight as the stock. However, once its screwed on it doesn't come loose during play. This is expectable since the stock shaft was made for the cue and the I-2 was made to be a one-size-fits all.

 

[Schwinn]

By the way, when I bought my Schon I thought about getting a predator 314 but decided it made more sense to use the shaft that was made for my cue. I was very satisfied with the quality of a center-ball hit of the Schon shaft. I tried to adjust, but even after a month, the amount of deflection/squirt present was still bothering me. So I kept wondering if I should be trying to adjust? or should I adjust the shaft? There was one side pocket shot I set up where I use a very slight cut into the side and one tip of english on the CB....I actually had to adjust one whole ball away from the contact point of the object ball to make it. This seemed a bit crazy to me. Yeah, I can adjust my approach to these types of shots and make them consistently over time, but do I want to? Makes things more complicated in my opinion. So now I'm giving the I-2 a fair shake.

Also, I'm not knocking Schon because I think Joss and any other cue with a stiff shaft has this quality.

 

[Hal]

I play with a Schon LTD and a 314 shaft. I just couldn't bring myself to chalk that nice new schon shaft.

 

[dooziexx]

$525 or $550 with a 2x4 case. Not sure what type case it is. The cue only a year old with very little use. I think he is now using a Bender cue.

Cologuy,
For $550, I can have a brand new STL8 shipped straight to your house . If you want a bender, I have those too... Email me at erik@erikleecues.com if you are interested.
-Erik

 

[drivermaker]

My only complaint with the I-2 is that it doesn't screw on as tight as the stock. However, once its screwed on it doesn't come loose during play.

That's because the Schon is piloted and the I-2 is flat faced, that's all.

 

[NOSAJ03]

I would vehemently disagree with that statement and I think anyone that owns one as well as customs, or at least has hit a number of customs would also disagree. How in the hell could you possibly gain more playability? How does that happen? The quality of a Schon is superb. As you've mentioned, you haven't even hit one or owned a Schon. You've turned into a custom cue snob who THINKS that the magic word "custom" on someone's business card means something more. It doesn't in many cases.

Now, if Im not mistaken, I believe that Schon cues were once custom cues when Bob Runde was with them..... I dont know, I could be wrong, perhaps Im just caught up in the whole "custom" thing

 

[drivermaker]

I didnt say that you gain more playability, I may be wrong but apparently you have issues with "custom" cues or maybe cuemakers.

I hope you're not reading too many of Marissa's posts and having her rub off on you. It's like living in "THE WORLD ACCORDING TO MAWISSA".

This is YOUR statement, "You can argue that Schons don't come close to the quality and playability of most custom cues".

Once again, how does a Schon NOT COME CLOSE to a custom in playability??
And I'll throw in ALL CUSTOM CUES as a comparison.

I don't have issues with custom cues or cuemakers...I have issues with guys that think production cues are all a piece of shit and you get SOOOOooooo much more with a cue that's made by someone that has the word "custom" written on his business card and bought some half assed lathe and is putting parts together.

In this day and age, I think you have to look real hard to find a production cue...ANY PRODUCTION CUE...that doesn't play damn super with good quality and construction. Remember, most of them were "custom cuemakers" to begin with that realized you can make a hell of a lot more money by producing more cues annually than onesies and twosies They AREN'T HACKS!

 

[NYC cue dude]

I own several "custom" cues" (2 Ginas, a Mottey and Bobby Hunter etc), and several Schon Ltd's.

The quality for the Schon is OUTSTANDING for the price (mine are in the $1000 range) compared to the customs in the $6000-$8000 range.

The schons are made very well, and yes they are built with forward balance points, similarly to the Ginas. Today, the Schons are all inlayed on the CNC machines, as opposed to the early hand inlays of the Runde era. Atleast this way the work comes out perfect every time.

As far as the shafts, they are VERY stiff with a ton of deflection, which will require a lot to get used to, and for a begginer, I would recommend a predator shaft to avoid hours of adjustments and frustrations.

Don't rush into any cue, and Schons in particular are a dime a dozen, meaning VERy good deals can be had on the internet.

Good luck
RG

 

[Cardinal2B]

I am pretty much a cue novice. I am playing now with an entry level type Meucci that was given to me. I am looking to move up a bit and a friend has a Schon STL8 that he is willing to sell me for what I consider a good price. As we live over 100 miles apart, I have not had a chance to try the cue yet. I will definitely do that prior to buying. My question - how does the Schon hit compare to Meucci as far as stiffness? Is this something that can be answered generally, or does it depend on the 2 individual cues? I sort of like the Meucci hit. Would I be better advised to just move up to a nicer Meucci? I apologize for my lack of knowledge - but you gotta start somewhere. Thanks.

Hey Colorado. I know a 100 mile drive is just a nice afternoon in God's country and all, but its also $25 or more in gas, round-trip. The price of this Schon is good, but geez, Erik can get you a new one for the same money it looks like, w/o the gas money & trip time. So you should feel no pressure to buy here, let the money continue burning a hole in your pocket for a while

What bothers me here is that you don't really know what you're buying into, or what you want in a cue yet, and you're thinking of plunking down $500+. Plus that Schon is going to play very differently from your Meucci - what if you don't like it, then you gotta hassle getting rid of it.

Schons are very, very nice cues; in this price range, so are Schulers, Scruggs, Predators, and many others. I'd humbly advise that you play with as many alternatives as you can (borrow them from other players - "I was thinking of buying a <fill in name of cue here> like yours, how do you like it? Could I hit a couple of balls with it?") ...generally, people can't wait to tell you all about their cue, and most will let you take a few shots anyway, heck some will insist you try it! Learn what you like in terms of weight, stiffness, balance point, and wrap minimally. Also, tip (possibly most critical factor). And, of course, the "hit" - I mean how it feels to you is a very personal thing. Ask questions. Learn. Buy later rather than sooner.

 

[drivermaker]

I would recommend a predator shaft to avoid hours of adjustments and frustrations.

Good luck
RG

I wish you guys wouldn't keep putting a rubber stamp of approval on Predators all the time. For replacement shafts, McD I.C.E. or the Univeral shaft are super products. I think they're superior.

 

[Schwinn]

That's because the Schon is piloted and the I-2 is flat faced, that's all.

My I-2 is piloted and has a silver ring on the collar as well. The pilot doesn't fit as tightly into the joint on that last turn however, and the pin seems a bit looser in the threads while you're screwing it on.