Schon questions?

Snapshot9

Snapshot9

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I have a friend that just bought a Schon LTD-1 for about $875, I think.

He thought it was a 19 oz., but we weighed it and it is 20 oz.

Do Schons have a weight bolt that can be cut down or replaced. If so, are they glued in besides being threaded?

The cue, in all honesty, does feel a little butt heavy.
 
Snapshot9 said:
I have a friend that just bought a Schon LTD-1 for about $875, I think.

He thought it was a 19 oz., but we weighed it and it is 20 oz.

Do Schons have a weight bolt that can be cut down or replaced. If so, are they glued in besides being threaded?

The cue, in all honesty, does feel a little butt heavy.
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The weight bolts are glued in. He can send it back to Schon and they can probably make it any weight he wants within 1 to 1.5 oz. You can unscrew the bumper and pull it out. You will see the bolt in there. If it is pretty shiny (alluminum) then the lightest bolt is already in there. If it is a little more dark or dull then it is either a .6 .9 or 1.2 oz bolt. They are very difficult to get out and you could damage the cue if you try it. I would suggest calling Schon and talking to them and eventually sending it back to them to have it corrected. JMHO.

BVal
 
BVal said:
The weight bolts are glued in. He can send it back to Schon and they can probably make it any weight he wants within 1 to 1.5 oz. You can unscrew the bumper and pull it out. You will see the bolt in there. If it is pretty shiny (alluminum) then the lightest bolt is already in there. If it is a little more dark or dull then it is either a .6 .9 or 1.2 oz bolt. They are very difficult to get out and you could damage the cue if you try it. I would suggest calling Schon and talking to them and eventually sending it back to them to have it corrected. JMHO.

BVal
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True enough, you don't want to be messing around with a glued in assembly/weight bolt, it's the type of thing that always winds up biting you in the ass
 
BVal said:
The weight bolts are glued in. He can send it back to Schon and they can probably make it any weight he wants within 1 to 1.5 oz. You can unscrew the bumper and pull it out. You will see the bolt in there. If it is pretty shiny (alluminum) then the lightest bolt is already in there. If it is a little more dark or dull then it is either a .6 .9 or 1.2 oz bolt. They are very difficult to get out and you could damage the cue if you try it. I would suggest calling Schon and talking to them and eventually sending it back to them to have it corrected. JMHO.

BVal
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Are you sure about this? Every Schon I've owned (a lot of them) has never had the bolt glued into the hole. This would make no sense, as the screw holds the butt cap on the cue. If there was ever any damage to the butt cap of the cue, they'd want to be able to remove the butt cap and install a new one. Gluing the screw in place would eliminate this ability. Also, Evan likes to have the flexibility to change the weights, and gluing the screw would defeat this as well.

Check your cue. I'd be shocked if the bolt was glued in.
 
joeboxer said:
The bolts are definately glued in. I've had 2 of them, both bolts were glued.
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Well, then someone at Schon is confused. Some are leaving the plant glued, and some are not. When I had to bump the weight on my Schon, Evan told me to remove the screw that holds the bumper on, and to place 3/8-16 set screws into the butt. The bolt came out with no issue. The pain in the a$$ is getting out that monster of a rubber bumper in the butt cap. That's the hardest operation of them all.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Are you sure about this? Every Schon I've owned (a lot of them) has never had the bolt glued into the hole. This would make no sense, as the screw holds the butt cap on the cue. If there was ever any damage to the butt cap of the cue, they'd want to be able to remove the butt cap and install a new one. Gluing the screw in place would eliminate this ability. Also, Evan likes to have the flexibility to change the weights, and gluing the screw would defeat this as well.

Check your cue. I'd be shocked if the bolt was glued in.
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I just bought a Schon earlier this year and it was glued in. If you search the forums here you will find that many many other people's have been glued in as well. Not all of them are. Expecially some of the older ones. From my understanding they do this to make sure it doesn't somehow come loose for any reason and make a weird sound or vibration when you hit with it. I am happy for you that you haven't had to deal with any being glued in.

To the OP. If it is not glued in then you will have no problem replacing it. If it is glued in I would send it back to Schon and have them do it.

BVal
 
BVal said:
I just bought a Schon earlier this year and it was glued in. If you search the forums here you will find that many many other people's have been glued in as well. Not all of them are. Expecially some of the older ones. From my understanding they do this to make sure it doesn't somehow come loose for any reason and make a weird sound or vibration when you hit with it. I am happy for you that you haven't had to deal with any being glued in.

To the OP. If it is not glued in then you will have no problem replacing it. If it is glued in I would send it back to Schon and have them do it.

BVal
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OK - thanks for the info. Are they actually glued, or is it some form of gasket sealer? I've seen the pink loctite used awhile back on some Joss cues back years ago.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
OK - thanks for the info. Are they actually glued, or is it some form of gasket sealer? I've seen the pink loctite used awhile back on some Joss cues back years ago.
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I am not sure exactly what material they use but I do know it works very very well because there is no way for you to get it out without heating the bolt up with a soltering iron or something like that. I have no idea how Schon does it but I suspect it is something similar.

BVal
 
BVal said:
I am not sure exactly what material they use but I do know it works very very well because there is no way for you to get it out without heating the bolt up with a soltering iron or something like that. I have no idea how Schon does it but I suspect it is something similar.

BVal
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There was a trick that Thomas Wayne described years ago for removing glued bolts quite well from cues without generating excess heat. Basically, it involved drilling a hole in the bolt. Then, you'd place a slightly larger bit into the drill chuck, switch the direction of the lathe, and insert the oversized bit into the hold in the bolt. It apparently builds up a huge amount of heat inside the bolt to break down the cue, and the second the bolt comes loose, the reverse spin of the lathe causes the bolt to unscrew itself. I've done this with joint pins and it works great. Guessing you could probably do the same thing with the weight bolts too.
 
Interesting, I was at Schon a few months ago when in Wisconsin and left my playing cue there to get refinished (they did an awesome job BTW, looks like brand new). My older R6 Schon was always about 1/2 oz. heavier, so I asked Evan if he could make it the same weight as my regular playing cue to make the transition during the waiting time (6 - 8 weeks) easier. He said it wasn't an exact science, since the bolts weren't incremental by the ounce, and it depended what I had in there to begin with. He put the cue on a machine, clamped it in, removed the bumper and unscrewed the bolt with some device. But from what I could see, could have used a screwdriver as well, his device just locked the blade in tighter (didn't look like a standard flat head or phillips blade) and removed it using slow but steady revolutions, probably just a high torque, low speed drill. He didn't seem to check for any glue etc., maybe he just knew that the older ones weren't glued or something...

He popped the bumper back on and left me the old bolt in case I wanted to switch back. Cue came out perfect, very close to the weight of my playing cue.

Scott
 
I've owned a number of Schon cues over the years and i've changed the weight bolts in most of them. I had a selection of different weight bolts for Schon cues on hand in case I wanted to adjust the weight up or down and I would say only 1 cue out of 8 or 9 Schons had some type of rubbery glue on the weight bolt.

I put the largest flat blade screw driver I have in a vise and after I remove the rubber bumper I use two hands and grip my cue well against the screw driver in the vise and back the weight bolt out. I wouldn't try it without the screw driver in a vise because most of the weight bolts are in the cue pretty tight.

James
 
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