Schon STL-7

Constantine

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I just bought this cue. I am a little disapointed.

The cue hits a bit stiff. The shaft doesn't have much whip. I need a second shaft. Any advice on what kind of shaft (specs) I should order for this cue to play with a bit more deflection?
 
I use Jacoby Ultra shafts on my Schons, fantastic shafts. Yes, Schon shafts are on the crisp side, honestly, I don't see a problem in that, I do like their shafts. I have a couple of Schon shafts at their 13mm, one at 12.75, and one 30" that I had brought down to 12.4 ish with somewhat of a pro taper, but didn't like it as it lost some of that crispness. I retapered the last ten inches of that down to a little over 12mm but with more of a conical straight taper and really liked that. While it's a touch skinny for my likes, the shaft hits more to my liking and even though the tip diameter is now smaller, it actually has a firmer hit. My Jacoby shafts are now all at 12.5mm from their 12.75 diameter stock and I like that. They have somewhat of a pro taper, but it works as it relates to their shaft construction. I also have a 29" ash shaft for my Schons that I got with a cue I purchased. Hits pretty good, but the maple shafts are smoother.
 
Thanks for sharing. But my questions is: If I request an additional shaft, what should I ask for? I think all Shon shafts have a pro taper.
 
Let me get this straight, you want a whippy shaft with more deflection? I know it is personal choice, but don't get me wrong, IMHO, these are not good traits for a shaft.
 
I just bought this cue. I am a little disapointed.

The cue hits a bit stiff. The shaft doesn't have much whip. I need a second shaft. Any advice on what kind of shaft (specs) I should order for this cue to play with a bit more deflection?
sounds like you have a full shaft. Take some measurements of the shaft. You might just need to widdle in down a little.
 
I couldn't tell you what you should ask for, that's like telling you what car to buy.
Not really sure about their shafts being a pro taper also. One cuemakers pro taper is not necessarily anothers.
Their shaft taper and hit is on the crisp end, and I doubt they offer a different taper such as a custom cuemaker would if having a cue built. You can order their shafts in a different diameter but not sure what actual taper you would get. You could also buy a standard Schon shaft and have it retapered somewhat. Somewhat simple to do for a professional, but you would have to describe what you wanted to accomplish.
Also your tip size would probably be reduced somewhat.
 
Let me get this straight, you want a whippy shaft with more deflection? I know it is personal choice, but don't get me wrong, IMHO, these are not good traits for a shaft.
Let me elaborate. I have owned several Shons over several years. This particular Schon doesn't have the same feel or enjoyable "hit" like the others. And yes I want a more whippy shaft that will allow me to draw the ball more effectively.
 
Let me elaborate. I have owned several Shons over several years. This particular Schon doesn't have the same feel or enjoyable "hit" like the others. And yes I want a more whippy shaft that will allow me to draw the ball more effectively.
What are the shaft dimensions at the tip, and every 5 inches down from there?
 
I don't think that will have anything to do with it. Carbon shafts are stiff as all get out as to stiffness, but will draw the ball as well or better than any wood shaft. Yes, most carbon shafts are low deflection, but they are also not whippy. Not sure what you want will have any effect on the draw of the ball.
 
Let me get this straight, you want a whippy shaft with more deflection? I know it is personal choice, but don't get me wrong, IMHO, these are not good traits for a shaft.
What I want is a Shon that hits like the R1 I owned many years ago. I don't like the hit of this cue and I can't draw well with it. I am looking for a Hail Mary here.
 
Do you know what tip was installed? Try changing the tip to one level that is softer.

Draw shot is all about where you hit the CB and how much power you can transfer to the CB. The CB does not care if it is whippy or stiff
 
Do you know what tip was installed? Try changing the tip to one level that is softer.

Draw shot is all about where you hit the CB and how much power you can transfer to the CB. The CB does not care if it is whippy or stiff
I have to respectfully disagree here. I remember playing around with Meucci cues and I could draw the hell out of the ball but I couldn't make many long off-angle shots with a Meucci. I think one of the effective chracteristics of being able to draw the ball is shaft deflection and the curvature of the tip.
 
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I couldn't tell you what you should ask for, that's like telling you what car to buy.
Not really sure about their shafts being a pro taper also. One cuemakers pro taper is not necessarily anothers.
Their shaft taper and hit is on the crisp end, and I doubt they offer a different taper such as a custom cuemaker would if having a cue built. You can order their shafts in a different diameter but not sure what actual taper you would get. You could also buy a standard Schon shaft and have it retapered somewhat. Somewhat simple to do for a professional, but you would have to describe what you wanted to accomplish.
Also your tip size would probably be reduced somewhat.
am NOT asking which car I should buy. I am asking how I can improve how the cue hits!
 
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am NOT asking which car I should buy. I am asking how I can improve how the cue hits!
You've been given suggestions to questions that are answerable. For the most part, you are asking for an answer to a question that is unanswerable with the information you provided.
You also were given answers to what you asked about that cue before buying it, and were told that if the shaft was as described by the seller and you, it was not a new shaft and possibly also not a new cue. And now here you are saying you don't like how it hits.
To say it hits stiff, you were told yes, Schon shafts hit stiff, but so what, what do you want in a shaft?
To say it doesn't have much whip, what the heck does that mean, up to you there to describe it better with a better explanation for what you mean as to that as what you wrote is meaningless.
To say what shaft and specs should I buy, First, you need to better describe what you want, which you haven't done except to complain and rant at those trying to actually help with the limited and confusing info you provided.
You were told Schon makes shafts in different diameters, but doesn't offer different tapers.
Who knows what that Schon shaft you actually bought as if the description of it you provided was correct, Schon doesn't make a shaft with that diameter and with a LePro tip. So, if it really was those specs, someone already has worked on it.
You said you thought all Schon shafts were a pro taper and came with LePro tips. I'm not sure you could call Schon shafts as having a pro taper and they don't come with LePro tips. You were also told one pro taper might not be the same as another and Schon doesn't offer different tapers that I know of.
And then to say you can't draw with your shaft and you think it is because of shaft deflection and curvature of the tip? You are pretty confused there.
You have been told that a stiff shaft will still draw the ball as well as one as you describe as having deflection. I think what you mean to say there is low deflection, as a yes, a standard Schon shaft is stiff, but it also has deflection. I will say that with a standard 13mm Schon shaft, I can draw a ball as well as any other wood shaft that I have, and I have a lot of them, both high and low deflection in tip sizes between 12mm-13mm.
What it comes down to is people here have tried to give you advice with only the misguided descriptions you have provided and your replies to them have not been the nicest.
If you plan on ordering a new Schon shaft, Order the diameter you like, and change the tip to one you like. Or just order a standard Schon shaft in 13mm and have a cue maker retaper it for you. Or have Jacoby make an Ultra shaft for your Schon. Their standard size is 12.75mm and can be ordered down to 11.8mm and all have a long actual pro taper.
If you need a better explanation of what you should order, you first need to accurately measure the shaft you have then come back with how you would like it changed. Saying it doesn't have much whip and you want it to draw better is not going to cut it.
 
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