See-system Help

Palmerfan

Palmerfan

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Can someone who uses the see-system explain how the aiming works, I've seen some of the youtube videos and dont understand at all. I would buy the download if I had a semi understanding of what it is and tried to pocket some balls with it, but I don't wanna get something thats only going to confuse me even more.

If anyone can knows what part of which shadow you aim on a "thick" cut shot and then on a "thin" one so I can try it out I would appreciate it. Seems like shadows are pretty constant and I can aim at a shadow better then I can at a ghost ball or contact point..I think..

Thanks
 
basically the see system is using shadows of the cue ball and the object ball depending on the angles. For example if it was a 15 degree angle cut shot to the left you would use the cut shadow or as describe the darkest spot of the left side of the cue ball and imagine a line connecting to the middle of the object ball this should align you to make the shot. If i remember there are three categories of different shots in the system. The book is lay out well, ekkes did a great job with the material but with that being said I didn't think it was for me.
 
For a right cut, you would use the shadow that is the closest to the left edge of the OB. Your alignment would be to the outside edge of that shadow. It is also the darkest shadow. Left cut, same process except shadow on right edge of OB.

That is your aim line I guess you'd call it. Depending upon the angle of the cut, there are then multiple ways you step into the shot. So you have to have the proper alignment and step into the shot properly to pocket the OB.

That's the Reader's Digest Version. I can tell you you'll never get it without purchasing the download from Ekkes. There is a ton of info. I prefer CTE/Pro One but the SEE System is reasonably well done.
 
@ Palmerfan:

Stand behind the balls in a way that the cue ball overlaps the object ball by 5/8th of a ball in the first category (0°-22.5°) If you have a dominant eye be sure to have the dominant eye on the ETO line.This line creates the correct angle. This line starts at the intersection of the shadow under the cue ball, as you perceive it when standing ca. 3/4 of a cue lenght behind the cue ball (7mm inside the edge) and points to the center of the object ball. Position your back foot on this line too.

Righties that aim with their right eye should have the toe of their back foot on the line shadow to center. Players that aim with both eyes should havethe tip of their nose on that linecenter of their back foot (inner part of the back foot) and cross eyed dominant players should rotate their body a bit more to get their dominant eye on this line and put the heel of the back foot on that line.

Your eye position is correct when you can see that line from the shadow under the cue ball to the center of the object ball and you only have to step in straight forward on this line with your back foot!

Now step in with your front foot and let your toe of the front foot point to the pocket (depinding on the width of your stance may even e bit more to the right of the pocket for a cut shot to the right) and go down into your set position while focusing to keep your dominant eye (or nose if you aim with both eyes) on the center of the object ball.
Your bridge hand needs to focus as well only on the center of the object ball while going down behind the center of the cue ball.

When you have been standing correctly on the ETO line before stepping in, stepped in straight and have found the correct front foot position for you personally, you should be able to make all balls in a range of 0° and 22° with a follow shot or a draw shot.

Watch this video again: http://youtu.be/Fq3lCuScYWM

Hope that helps you!

Ekkes
 
So I've been watching some of your videos. So correct me if I am right or wrong. I am looking at the Edge of the cue ball using the shadow...line up to the center shadow on the Object ball.....once that is dial in....go in center cue ball....again letting the foot work work your body toward it then shoot it. am I right?
 
Position your dominant eye on the orientation line. This line starts at the intersection of the shadow under the cue ball with the cue ball and points to the center of the object ball.

(For a cut shot 0-22 degrees draw a virtual line from the intersection of the shadow on the right side of the cue ball with the cue ball to the center of the object ball)

Then step in and focus with your dominant eye and your bridge hand on the center of the object ball while going down into your set position.

Your front foot should point to the pocket when you are down in your set position.

Load down the preview and study the graphics.

http://infinite-billiards.com/en/SEE.html


Ekkes
 
Does the See system cover how to adjust for deflection, throw, & curve when using English without using back hand English?
 
Yes it does!
All points that you have mentioned (for sure they differ for differenr cues but I explain how to find your own lines when using side spin) and much more like distance, speed, different throw effects when using stun...
Same for banks/ on top it covers position play using the SEE clock system and kicking systems by Scott Rohleder!
Have a look here:
Here are all topics that are covered by the SEE SYSTEM in 5 hours of video and 219 pages DIN A 4 pdf:
Click on the link and then scroll down and click on the link
" topics covered by the SEE SYSTEM"

http://infinite-billiards.com/en/SEE.html

Ekkes
 
Your system seem more easy and simple. almost the same as Pro1 but only using 1 line to line up your eyes and body in the right place. that a relief cause I have the pro1 and seeing and visionary the second line is lot of work.
 
I can see and tell it would work for all short and long shot from a medium angles to little straight but somewhat little angles, well what do I do when it come to hard cut shot? oh the hard cut shot.....I vision the edge of cue ball( ETO line) to the instead of center object ball....I go to the edge of OB instead of center?....am i right?
 
theUBC said:
Yes it does!
All points that you have mentioned (for sure they differ for differenr cues but I explain how to find your own lines when using side spin) and much more like distance, speed, different throw effects when using stun...
Same for banks/ on top it covers position play using the SEE clock system and kicking systems by Scott Rohleder!
Have a look here:
Here are all topics that are covered by the SEE SYSTEM in 5 hours of video and 219 pages DIN A 4 pdf:
Click on the link and then scroll down and click on the link
" topics covered by the SEE SYSTEM"

http://infinite-billiards.com/en/SEE.html

Ekkes
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Nice!

It sounds like you might have the most complete course out there when it comes to an aiming system. It irritates me to no end when I here a system instructor claim that the only thing you need to do is use back hand English if you want to spin the ball.

I'll buy your system and check it out.
 
Start at the shadow of the cue ball and draw a virtual line from there to the edge of the object ball for angles up to 52 degrees
 
I work on The SEE System for 2 hours. I was amaze how easy and simple it is to make ball using the ETO line from the shadow edge of cue ball to middle of the OB and make it at all time. There was some miss but all about speed also. I try the miss shot again and try a different speed and it went in. This SEE system so easy to use than Pro1. I made a long hard cut shot aiming edge of shadow to the edge of the OB and it went in smooth into the pocket, This system so easy only thing is complicated( not really but it base on body work) is working on how your body stance work and how your offset body work (comfortable wise) on this SEE System. I am going to keep working on this system until I am 90 percent great feel and confidence on this system making every balls in. NO offense but I didn't order the dvd but I thoroughly read your graphics and understanding over and over until I knew for sure how it look and work in my mind. I went to my pool hall place.....it work. I was playing a guy and he was looking at me like what hell he doing? when I was standing back looking at the edge to middle of OB over and over on shots on 9 ball game. He even ask how the hell you aiming? I didn't tell him but told him what the system call and look up on AZBilliards cause I respect Ekkes to explain it to him himself.....cause Ekkes is the one who made the system not me. Thanks for explaining details and graphics and notes Ekkes.
 
Am I understanding this correctly?

On anything under 22.5 degrees a right handed player cutting a ball to the left will have his lead foot toe pointed at the pocket?
 
(((Satori))) said:
Am I understanding this correctly?

On anything under 22.5 degrees a right handed player cutting a ball to the left will have his lead foot toe pointed at the pocket?
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Yes.

It's a little awkward at first, but took me about a day to get used to it back when I was using the SEE system.
 
I also use See. I had ordered the Pro-one video when it came out, but just couldn't grasp it. I find See easily comprehensible and I use it extensively in my league 8 ball matches. I don't get in as much practice as I should so sometimes I miss some of the nuances. I mainly play 8 ball, so defense, kicks etc are important as everybody knows. Still, when I absolutely have to make a shot, I use SEE and more often than not, it works, and has bailed me out of any number of tough shooting situations.
 
(((Satori))) said:
Am I understanding this correctly?

On anything under 22.5 degrees a right handed player cutting a ball to the left will have his lead foot toe pointed at the pocket?
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Yes, but in your example you can also achieve the same thing by stepping toward a certain side or part of the ball. This will effectively result in the same amount of torso rotation etc.

For instance, on a thicker cut (say 0 - 8 degrees), I may step toward the inside edge of the ball, for 8 - 22 degrees I may step toward the center of the object ball or even the outside edge. Where just depends on your stance setup, but once you find the correct spot for you it will be consistent. I do the same thing on category 2 and 3 shots, it's very effective and avoids some of the awkward stance placements that can occur with the true step toward the pocket, and also avoid shuffling the feet around once the correct cue alignment and bridge placement is achieved.

Some of these alternatives will be covered in more detail in the next revision of the system material, which Ekkes is working on now.
Scott
 
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