Shaft Forgiveness

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Butterbean150

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Good Morning Fellas, since the offering of LD shafts, 11.2 diameter tips, and other low deflection accuracy helps have rolled off the assembly lines the past 10 years or so, it seems those shafts are really critical of stroke and stroke fundamentals or they can be temperamental. I'm curious if since the LD shafts seem so demanding of exactness in fundamentals, is there a shaft design that is more forgiving of tiny stroke or fundamental flaws?
 
Ld shafts have been around like 30years.
Meucci black dot(?)
In theory the Z3 or equivalent would be the answer. Lowest deflection.
In my opinion addressing the ball on the line of the shot and working on making your stroke straight is most important. So that you approach every shot the same, everytime, and get through the ball straight. If you can do that, your brain will adapt to whichever shaft you choose.
 
Butterbean150 said:
Good Morning Fellas, since the offering of LD shafts, 11.2 diameter tips, and other low deflection accuracy helps have rolled off the assembly lines the past 10 years or so, it seems those shafts are really critical of stroke and stroke fundamentals or they can be temperamental. I'm curious if since the LD shafts seem so demanding of exactness in fundamentals, is there a shaft design that is more forgiving of tiny stroke or fundamental flaws?
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If you play with a 12.75 314-3 it is actually LESS critical of stroke fundamentals than a standard maple shaft of the same size (speaking from years and years of experience). If you start getting into 11mm shafts in LD or Maple, you should have excellent cue tip delivery.
 
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THICK VS THIN SHAFTS

i am referring primarily to low deflection shafts but i guess it could be extrapolated to regular shafts. as a general rule smaller diameter results in less end mass so lower deflection but also the contact point on the cue ball is more focused/narrower therefore less margin of error(if this...
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If you want a LD shaft with better forgiveness choose a larger diameter shaft.

Trends have been going towards really thin shafts and most don't have the skillset to use these shafts. They have flaws in their fundamentals and can not hit consistently or precisely every time.

These shafts that thin need more of a precise hit because the area that they hit is smaller. Look at a dead center ball shot. With a smaller diameter the chances of hitting dead center is reduced with the smaller area of a thinner shaft. If your shaft diameter is larger you have a better chance of hitting the center of the ball with your stoke defects.

We are not all "Open" players. The reason why you see these pros using such thin shafts is their stroke is consistent. They can hit precise and consistent.
 
bbb said:
see if anything here helps you

THICK VS THIN SHAFTS

i am referring primarily to low deflection shafts but i guess it could be extrapolated to regular shafts. as a general rule smaller diameter results in less end mass so lower deflection but also the contact point on the cue ball is more focused/narrower therefore less margin of error(if this...
forums.azbilliards.com
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People want to argue. But what does predator know, Right? They even say with a thinner shaft your hit needs to be more precise.
 
bbb said:
see if anything here helps you

THICK VS THIN SHAFTS

i am referring primarily to low deflection shafts but i guess it could be extrapolated to regular shafts. as a general rule smaller diameter results in less end mass so lower deflection but also the contact point on the cue ball is more focused/narrower therefore less margin of error(if this...
forums.azbilliards.com
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So scared to click that link.... the guys in IT will double check this one for sure...
 
Wolven said:
I had to think about it, as one of the coaches here said that small tip is not more forgiving.
My experience is that bigger tip is more forgiving. I get tired playing with small tip, and it slows down my pace of play.
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i was going bigger bigger, got to 13mm, couldnt draw anymore, now im at 11.5
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In general, your stroke must be increasingly precise as the tip (or shaft) size decreases.
In general, straight conical tapers are more forgiving than {Pro, parabolic, elliptical,.....} strictly from a strength of materials sense.
 
Butterbean150 said:
Good Morning Fellas, since the offering of LD shafts, 11.2 diameter tips, and other low deflection accuracy helps have rolled off the assembly lines the past 10 years or so, it seems those shafts are really critical of stroke and stroke fundamentals or they can be temperamental. I'm curious if since the LD shafts seem so demanding of exactness in fundamentals, is there a shaft design that is more forgiving of tiny stroke or fundamental flaws?
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The idea that I had that LD shafts expose more flaws are due to the fact that they send the cueball on a straighter path, so anyone that learned to adjust for stroke issues will find that this adjustment does not work when changing shafts. You can't use the deflection to throw the cueball back in line after a mishit. No shaft is really more forgiving for bad mechanics, I think this is part of why some players that play with standard shafts have a harder time than others adjusting to LD. They are used to automatically adjusting their aim through years of trial and error so their stroke plus the shaft deflection equal a good hit. With an LD shaft, there is less deflection so their adjustment just sends the cue to a miss.
 
Butterbean150 said:
...it seems those [LD] shafts are really critical of stroke and stroke fundamentals or they can be temperamental.
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MitchAlsup said:
In general, your stroke must be increasingly precise as the tip (or shaft) size decreases.
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Nope, still not true.

Wolven said:
Some people will tell you that bigger tip is not more forgiving.
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Texas Carom Club said:
For me it is, but limited, hard to draw,
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Zerksies said:
If you want a LD shaft with better forgiveness choose a larger diameter shaft.
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Zerksies said:
...predator ... They even say with a thinner shaft your hit needs to be more precise.
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Nope - still not true either.

Tip width and LD have nothing to do with tip/cb contact precision - that's all on you, your stroke and how well you see it.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Nope, still not true.





Nope - still not true either.

Tip width and LD have nothing to do with tip/cb contact precision - that's all on you, your stroke and how well you see it.

pj
chgo
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I believe you said 90% same size before, 10% is a lot in pool.
 
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