Shaft question

Koop

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All cuemakers,

I have a friend that I play pool with who is a carpenter and is starting to experiment with making cues at home. He asked me if I have ever heard of anyone using bamboo for shaft wood and I told him I would bring it to the experts. I personally know nothing about wood so if this sounds ridiculous please don't shoot the messenger. I told him there is probably a good reason why everyone seems to use hard rock maple but that I would pose the question.

Thank you,
Dave
 
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DDKoop said:
All cuemakers,

I have a friend that I play pool with who is a carpenter and is starting to experiment with making cues at home. He asked me if I have ever heard of anyone using bamboo for shaft wood and I told him I would bring it to the experts. I personally know nothing about wood so if this sounds ridiculous please don't shoot the messenger. I told him there is probably a good reason why everyone seems to use hard rock maple but that I would pose the question.

Thank you,
Dave
Hi Dave, you got me there friend. Never heard of such. Been all over China, seen scafolds made of bamboo, going up 12 floors on the outside of buildings, but never shafts.Let us know how it works out.
blud
 
You can't use bamboo.
Every 12 inches or so you'll have a huge knot.
If you look at a bamboo tube, there are like marrows every 12 inches.
We used to chop them down and play with them ( canons and squirts).
Bamboo is actually the world's tallest grass.
Bamboo pieces are used for fishing rods.
Ramin wood is used as shafts. But, they are soft.
 
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Joseph Cues said:
You can't use bamboo.
Every 12 inches or so you'll have a huge knot.
If you look at a bamboo tube, there are like marrows every 12 inches.
We used to chop them down and play with them ( canons and squirts).
Bamboo is actually the world's tallest grass.
Bamboo pieces are used for fishing rods.
Ramin wood is used as shafts. But, they are soft.

Hey Joseph, are you going to send me phone numbers and addresses so I can vist you while on the west coast?
Send the information to me
bludworth@direcway.com
thanks
blud
 
Joseph Cues said:
You can't use bamboo.
Every 12 inches or so you'll have a huge knot.
If you look at a bamboo tube, there are like marrows every 12 inches.
We used to chop them down and play with them ( canons and squirts).
Bamboo is actually the world's tallest grass.
Bamboo pieces are used for fishing rods.
Ramin wood is used as shafts. But, they are soft.

You know my son has a couple fairly new baseball bats (new as in what type of material used), they are Bamboo. Would not even know that they were Bamboo just by looking at them. The Bamboo is spliced together not in a pie shape but in square dowels. Then turned to shape on a lathe. They have no knots in the 40-inch length of the bat. You have to look real close, and even then it is hard to see that it is not made of one piece of maple. The bats are hard, not what you would expect. That type of Bamboo may still be kaka ;) for a cue but I thought it was interesting.
 
T411 said:
...You have to look real close, and even then it is hard to see that it is not made of one piece of maple....

Just a correction, traditional baseball bats are made out of Ash, not Maple.
 
T411 said:
You know my son has a couple fairly new baseball bats (new as in what type of material used), they are Bamboo. Would not even know that they were Bamboo just by looking at them. The Bamboo is spliced together not in a pie shape but in square dowels. Then turned to shape on a lathe. They have no knots in the 40-inch length of the bat. You have to look real close, and even then it is hard to see that it is not made of one piece of maple. The bats are hard, not what you would expect. That type of Bamboo may still be kaka ;) for a cue but I thought it was interesting.
T, that must some other bamboo than I grew up playing with.
The bamboo I knew had sections every foot or so. If you look at this pic, you can see the sections.
It's very splintery when skinned by the way. The outside "skin: is fine but not if it's peeled.
Bamboo btw is also used as a training sword or fighting sticks. They absorb vibrations and impact really well.
They have no use for pool cues imo.
 

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Joseph Cues said:
T, that must some other bamboo than I grew up playing with.
The bamboo I knew had sections every foot or so. If you look at this pic, you can see the sections.
It's very splintery when skinned by the way. The outside "skin: is fine but not if it's peeled.
Bamboo btw is also used as a training sword or fighting sticks. They absorb vibrations and impact really well.
They have no use for pool cues imo.

The Bamboo that you are talking about is the only type that I knew about before my son picked up these bats. Check this out www.baseball-bats.net/baseball-bats/baseball-bat-materials/
I’m not saying they would be good for cues though; they probably are kaka for a shaft.
 
T411 said:
The Bamboo that you are talking about is the only type that I knew about before my son picked up these bats. Check this out www.baseball-bats.net/baseball-bats/baseball-bat-materials/
I’m not saying they would be good for cues though; they probably are kaka for a shaft.
T, thanks. That is just incredible. It says they press them and turn them into billets. Probably too stiff to be shafts but might be useable as core or butts.
 
I've seen the nice bamboo material that you say they used for your son's baseball bat. I will experiment with it in pure form but spliced (4 sections) and another one with a carcon fiber core that's 2/3 up from the joint end. We'll see!
 
bandido said:
I've seen the nice bamboo material that you say they used for your son's baseball bat. I will experiment with it in pure form but spliced (4 sections) and another one with a carcon fiber core that's 2/3 up from the joint end. We'll see!

bandido, keep me posted on how it comes out.
 
Hi All
They are also using bamboo to make cutting boards for home use. Much reasearch is being done with bamboo as it is a very fast growing plant. Hence they are trying to cut down the use of native timber.
Gary
 
Whether or not this is a viable solution for shaft wood is one thing, but I'm happy to see I didn't get run off the boards for this one. I appreciate all the information and will pass it back to my friend.

Thanks all,
Dave
 
gmorglj said:
Hi All
They are also using bamboo to make cutting boards for home use. Much reasearch is being done with bamboo as it is a very fast growing plant. Hence they are trying to cut down the use of native timber.
Gary

I thought that bamboo depletion was a big problem, leading to a big problems for pandas. At least that's what I heard.
 
catscradle said:
I thought that bamboo depletion was a big problem, leading to a big problems for pandas. At least that's what I heard.
Perhaps in China, which is the only place in the world that Pandas live (other than zoos). There are estimated to be only about 1000 Pandas left in the wild.

Some bamboo facts:
A sixty foot tree cut for market takes 60 years to replace. A sixty foot bamboo cut for market takes 59 days to replace.

Over one billion people in the world live in bamboo houses.
The world trade in bamboo and rattan is currently estimated at 14 billion US dollars every year.

Bamboos are giant, woody grasses which put out several full length, full diameter, naturally pre-finished, ready-to-use culms ("stems") each year. A single bamboo clump can produce up to 15 kilometres of usable pole (up to 30 cm in diameter) in its lifetime.

It has a tropical and subtropical (cosmopolitan) distribution, ranging from 46 N to 47S latitude, reaching elevations as high as 4,000 m in the Himalayas and parts of China. Bamboo is very adaptable, with some species being deciduous and others evergreen.

Its use in food and cooking goes far back in history. Exports of bamboo shoots from Taiwan alone amount to $50 million (US). Apart from traditional uses, bamboo has many new applications as a substitute for fast depleting wood and as an alternative to more expensive materials.

Modern paper industry has expanded to such an extent that 2.2 million tonnes of bamboo are used in India for this purpose.

Bamboo furniture is an expanding business. In the Philippines, between 1985-1994, exports rose from $625,000 to $1.2 million.

Bamboo's role in the construction field is equally substantial. Hundreds of millions of people live in houses made from bamboo. In Bangladesh, 73% of the population live in bamboo houses. It provides pillars, walls, window frames, rafters, room separators, ceilings and roofs.

In Borneo and in the Naga Hills of India, large communal houses of 100 feet in length have been built of bamboo. Throughout rural Asia it is used for building bridges, from the sophisticated technology of suspension bridges to the simpler pontoon bridges. Bamboo scaffoldings are found throughout Asia, and they are employed on the high rise structures of Tokyo and Hong Kong.

Bamboo is also used for musical instruments of all three types: percussion or hammer instruments, wind instruments, and stringed instruments. In Java, 20 different musical instruments have been fashioned of bamboo. The flute may have been invented by cave people toying with a hollow bamboo stem.

http://www.inbar.int/facts.htm

-CM
 
gmorglj said:
Hi All
They are also using bamboo to make cutting boards for home use. Much reasearch is being done with bamboo as it is a very fast growing plant. Hence they are trying to cut down the use of native timber.
Gary
I think that is a great idea. Bamboo grows like corn, very fast, and it is strong, but I never thought it would would ever amount to anyting because it is hollow. When I started to look into hardwood floors, I was shocked to see bamboo as an option. There are no rings like I was expecting to see. They must emplore the same process for that. Pretty looking wood, looks like large knotted birds eye from what I saw.
 
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