Shaft thread a little loose

Ken_4fun

Ken_4fun

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I have a cue from a former local cuemaker, it has what is commonly know as a Mcdermott pin in it. So it has wooden threads in shaft.

What appears to be common today is the SW pin, but still the shaft seems to loosely thread on the butt. I tried an old trick of using a couple of drops of water on the threads. While this does tighten it up slightly, it appears to only improve the situation temporarily.

Any more suggestions? The cue does play great, and it has some sentimental value for me. But I would prefer to have this shaft tightened up a tad.

Thanks

Ken
 
Ken_4fun said:
I have a cue from a former local cuemaker, it has what is commonly know as a Mcdermott pin in it. So it has wooden threads in shaft.

What appears to be common today is the SW pin, but still the shaft seems to loosely thread on the butt. I tried an old trick of using a couple of drops of water on the threads. While this does tighten it up slightly, it appears to only improve the situation temporarily.

Any more suggestions? The cue does play great, and it has some sentimental value for me. But I would prefer to have this shaft tightened up a tad.

Thanks

Ken
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So just what type pin is it? Southwest or McDermott?. Any way, using water to swell the threads is a temperary fix at best. I have successfully used liquid car polish to swell the threads many times if there is any wood left at all. Just squirt in liquid car wax, shake around for a minute or two and then sling out the excess. Don't leave in for to long a time as the shaft may swell and crack.

If this doesn't work then you could always bore out a hole about 2" deep and around .550 ths. and install a maple dowell, redrill and retap.

Dick
 
Any particular brand? What's in that makes this work, and a permanent fix?

rhncue said:
So just what type pin is it? Southwest or McDermott?. Any way, using water to swell the threads is a temperary fix at best. I have successfully used liquid car polish to swell the threads many times if there is any wood left at all. Just squirt in liquid car wax, shake around for a minute or two and then sling out the excess. Don't leave in for to long a time as the shaft may swell and crack.

If this doesn't work then you could always bore out a hole about 2" deep and around .550 ths. and install a maple dowell, redrill and retap.

Dick
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Not an endorsement

Let me start out by saying that I am not endorsing it, but I just tried a product an hour ago, that is called Wood Swell & Lock. It is supposed to stay on the wood for two hours before working with it. I have about another hour before I can check the results.

Maybe someone else has had some experience using this. It's made by DAP and is used for such things as "loose chair rungs, dowel and mortise joints, tool handles, etc.

I took a house cue that will not be used again and purposely cut the tenon down to far. (At least that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.) I applied the product and am now waiting for the results. I'll keep you posted.

Gene
 
Ken_4fun said:
I have a cue from a former local cuemaker, it has what is commonly know as a Mcdermott pin in it. So it has wooden threads in shaft.

What appears to be common today is the SW pin, but still the shaft seems to loosely thread on the butt. I tried an old trick of using a couple of drops of water on the threads. While this does tighten it up slightly, it appears to only improve the situation temporarily.

Any more suggestions? The cue does play great, and it has some sentimental value for me. But I would prefer to have this shaft tightened up a tad.

Thanks

Ken
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The best way for a perm. fix is have your local cue repair (if he's any good) is drill and re-tap a phenolic insert.
 
Ken_4fun said:
I have a cue from a former local cuemaker, it has what is commonly know as a Mcdermott pin in it. So it has wooden threads in shaft.

What appears to be common today is the SW pin, but still the shaft seems to loosely thread on the butt. I tried an old trick of using a couple of drops of water on the threads. While this does tighten it up slightly, it appears to only improve the situation temporarily.

Any more suggestions? The cue does play great, and it has some sentimental value for me. But I would prefer to have this shaft tightened up a tad.

Thanks

Ken
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Thin super glue, and re tap the hole. Works like a dream on old McDermotts
 
thin strip of paper. you don't need much,,,about 3/8" wide and the full depth of the hole. if it's still too loose, then try 1/2". paper is from wood after all.
 
The thin superglue is worth a try

I do that to all my new shafts that i make with that thread. put a little stream of super thin CA into the shaft hole, swirl it around some to coat all the threads well, then shake it out {do this outside the house} by whipping it to get rid of the excess before it hardens. This plasticizes the wood threads, and swells them some. Let the glue cure overnight before you try to screw onto your butt. Sometimes you may have to chase the threads with a tap to keep it from tightening too much. But really loose threads may not need it cleaned up.
 
McDermot is 3/8 - 10 and southwest is 3/8 - 11. If the shaft has worn threads you might be able to screw it onto a Southwest butt. This will only weaken and tear the threads more. I have fixed several shafts with stripped out wood threads by boaring them out and inserting new wood. I prefer tho use Cocobolo or Ebony when doing this. The threads cut in nice and last longer than maple.
Chris
 
olsonsview said:
I do that to all my new shafts that i make with that thread. put a little stream of super thin CA into the shaft hole, swirl it around some to coat all the threads well, then shake it out {do this outside the house} by whipping it to get rid of the excess before it hardens. This plasticizes the wood threads, and swells them some. Let the glue cure overnight before you try to screw onto your butt. Sometimes you may have to chase the threads with a tap to keep it from tightening too much. But really loose threads may not need it cleaned up.
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That is a great way to make the threads very nice...I do this to all my cues ;)
 
olsonsview said:
I do that to all my new shafts that i make with that thread. put a little stream of super thin CA into the shaft hole, swirl it around some to coat all the threads well, then shake it out {do this outside the house} by whipping it to get rid of the excess before it hardens. This plasticizes the wood threads, and swells them some. Let the glue cure overnight before you try to screw onto your butt. Sometimes you may have to chase the threads with a tap to keep it from tightening too much. But really loose threads may not need it cleaned up.
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When you refer to CA is that superglue?Sorry if this is a stupid quetion but i am not a cuemaker by any stretch.Would this work equally well on radial threads or do thet not loosen as much?Thanks in advance,M.S.
 
whiteoak said:
When you refer to CA is that superglue?Sorry if this is a stupid quetion but i am not a cuemaker by any stretch.Would this work equally well on radial threads or do thet not loosen as much?Thanks in advance,M.S.
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Yup. Cue makers call it CA or "Cyano" (pronounced SYE-NO).

The technical name is Cyanocrylate Adhesive, AKA Super Glue. There are different types and brands though, which makes a difference in the results. Some glues get harder than others when cured, and things like that.

I assure you, though... ALL of them will certainly bond your fingers quickly. =)

JWP
 
It Worked!!!

PetreeCues said:
Yup. Cue makers call it CA or "Cyano" (pronounced SYE-NO).

The technical name is Cyanocrylate Adhesive, AKA Super Glue. There are different types and brands though, which makes a difference in the results. Some glues get harder than others when cured, and things like that.

I assure you, though... ALL of them will certainly bond your fingers quickly. =)

JWP
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I tried this and by golly it worked.

Those cuemakers are clever little fellers.

LOL and thanks,

Ken
 
One small problem....

PetreeCues said:
Yup. Cue makers call it CA or "Cyano" (pronounced SYE-NO).

The technical name is Cyanocrylate Adhesive, AKA Super Glue. There are different types and brands though, which makes a difference in the results. Some glues get harder than others when cured, and things like that.

I assure you, though... ALL of them will certainly bond your fingers quickly. =)

JWP
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JWP -

I now have a shaft glued to my fingers.

(not really)

Ken
 
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