Shane Van Boening's "Flick" Stroke

[Sloppy Pockets]

... Shane's wrist position in that :57 shot. To me it is very much like, if not exactly, the wrist position & movement that CJ has talked about so extensively here.

It's just about the exact opposite of what CJ recommends. Although they both have some similarity in the way they cock the wrist at address (radial deviation), CJ carries that position throughout the stroke, while Shane transitions to an ulnar deviation and employs the wrist in a "hammer-up" (flick?) manner as opposed to CJ's "hammer-down" motion. Only a wrist motion starting from an ulnar deviation can accelerate the cue forward. This was pointed out to him on numerous occasions here, but he refused to accept this truth.

CJ's method may feel forceful on his bridge hand, but it is not significantly increasing the speed of the cue. A force that isn't accelerating the cue forward does nothing for the power of the stroke. The angle of the wrist relative to the forearm at the finish doesn't tell you anything, it's how it got there that is important. Shane's gets there in a very different way than CJ's does. Shane's wrist moves the cue forward, CJ's directs the tip downward.

Use the YouTube settings to play the shot at the one minute mark a few times at 1/4 speed and I'm sure you will agree with what I am saying here.

 

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[Pleinairrider]

I agree. Here's an overlay of several screen captures, all before the final contact on the CB. He drops his elbow substantially, well before contact. This is hardly a pinned-elbow pendulum stroke.

Also, he usually raises his elbow and drops his head during the final backstroke, then raises his head slightly as his elbow drops back down a few inches before the tip even moves an inch through his bridge. This happens during the slow beginning stage of his final forward stroke (yellow line). From there on out his elbow remains mostly pinned, it's just the beginning of the stroke that has the elbow movement on most shots he takes.

Notice, though, that his shoulder never moves. It stays pinned in place (note the red arrow at the point where all the colored lines converge on the left) throughout the entire stoke. It's almost like a pivot point for his entire upper body. Quite unorthodox, but highly effective for him.

Awesome analysis. I've been playing with my interpretation of his stroke. From what I see, he Drops his elbow during backstroke, Raises elbow at end of back stroke, then Drops elbow during follow through. When I try to mimic this, it feels as if Im letting the cue do the work and I seem to shoot straight and with ease of power.

 

[greyghost]

Scott Lee is correct here.

Shane has more of a Pendulum than a Piston.
Shane just doesn't FINISH his shot all the time.
Play that much pool and you can just about make anything work.

randyg

watching the video it looks to me as tho shane is using the wrist/hand position at the start, in the same orientation that the hand should be in when finishing a pendulum stroke....with the knuckles angled toward the ceiling....

if the knuckles aren't cocked upward at the finish, then the grip hand is too tight and will drag the elbow from the tension....

also the reason he's raising his upper arm on the pull back, is because you cant extend the arm as far as he wants to go with his wrist in that position, without raising that upper arm to give him the range he is looking for in his backswing.....

he could force it back but it creates a butt load of tension all over the place in your arm and it just doesn't work....

if he didn't pull the cue back so far, that elbow raise would stop....

thats the proof right there that he uses a pendulum stroke (98% orwhatever since some want to nit pick the cotton)....the upward angled knuckles in the delivery hand....

regards,
-Keeb

 

[BilliardsAbout]

Ulnar or radial can be used (or little or no deviation) for a straight stroke--so there are "different strokes for different folks".