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DrCue'sProtege

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am contemplating having the pockets on my Gold Crown shimmed? they seem just a hair on the big side right now, not sure thats good. was wondering if its a big deal to have pockets shimmed, or is it something any table mechanic can do with ease? and whether or not the pockets on a Gold Crown are any different as far as being shimmed goes?

DCP
 
Any competent table mechanic should be able to double shim the pockets with ease when the cloth is off the rails. More than a double shim will play a bit "funny" however. If you want =/< 4.5" corners, the truely proper method is to extend the rails which can be tricky and obviously isn't cheap.

Troy
DrCue'sProtege said:
am contemplating having the pockets on my Gold Crown shimmed? they seem just a hair on the big side right now, not sure thats good. was wondering if its a big deal to have pockets shimmed, or is it something any table mechanic can do with ease? and whether or not the pockets on a Gold Crown are any different as far as being shimmed goes?

DCP
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Agree with Troy. Had a 9' shimmed, and would not have had it any other way. Any competent table mechanic should be able to shim. I currently play on a Gold Crown with double shims, and would not have it any other way. If you don't hit the back of the pocket, you get to sit down.
 
No need to extend the rubber if that's what the guy above said. You can just get a Mech to add a shim on each facer and it will shim the pockets up just right. The cost it would be to add all new rubber is way more than it is worth, or needed. You would have to buy all new rubber then get the rubber replaced.....and I do believe that it would be tough to extend the rubber out past where it should go........if that is what the guy above ment!.......Proper Method? Never heard of that being the proper method. The proper Method is to add a shim!
 
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DCP,
I have a newer GCIV with single shimmed pockets, I have a friend with an un-shimmed GCIV, and a friend with double-shimmed GCIV. I and the 3 professionals that I know prefer the single-shimmed table for an amateur player. The un-shimmed pockets are WAY TOO big. The double shimmed pockets are much smaller even than the tight Diamond tables, and it is VERY difficult to practice any difficult position shots on this table - the guy who owns it also has a double-shimmed 10 foot table, and after 15 years he can't play position worth a crap. If you want to improve your pocketing skills, then the tight pockets are great, but why not just use those rubber pocket inserts that you were posting about when you want to practice your accuracy?

The single-shimmed GCIV has pockets just slightly smaller than the tight Diamond tables, but despite this plays easier than the Diamond table (the Diamond pockets are cut way deeper, and the angle of the pockets is slightly different).

When they shimmed my pockets, they took the rails to the shop - said that it was better to do it there than on-site at my house. This might be a problem for you. I know the name of a super mechanic (sets up table's for Jay Oerner & Sons, as well as several pool halls and several professionals) - P.M. me if you need to get in touch with him.
 
I hate the shims at my local pool hall, they are total crap! Not because its harder to make balls, but because I like to play one pocket and there are shots that we cant play because of the shims.

The pockets on my home table are a little larger than I like, and I thought about putting shims on, but if its going to give me the reaction that I get from the shims at our pool hall there is no way I would ever do that to my table.
 
Williebetmore said:
DCP,
I know the name of a super mechanic (sets up table's for Jay Oerner & Sons, as well as several pool halls and several professionals) - P.M. me if you need to get in touch with him.
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Willie, I hope its not the same guy that Orner recommend to the pool room in Terre Haute. They did the worst job on these tables that I have ever seen. A local finally took two of the tables back apart and restretched them so they were at least playable.
 
woody_968 said:
I hate the shims at my local pool hall, they are total crap! Not because its harder to make balls, but because I like to play one pocket and there are shots that we cant play because of the shims.

The pockets on my home table are a little larger than I like, and I thought about putting shims on, but if its going to give me the reaction that I get from the shims at our pool hall there is no way I would ever do that to my table.
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There is a room here in town that has one GC2 that they double shimed. The owner and a friend of his did it them selves........and didn't shape the shims very good at all! Thus it looks bad and plays bad too.

What I said above about extending the rubber out............If the rubber is still good and you just want to shim up the pockets, there is no reason to replace the rubber to get that extra 1/4" of rubber............but if you are replacing the rubber anyway then it would be PROPER to make the rubber alitle longer and just put one facer on. But to do all that for just adding a facer is way overkill, on price and work!
 
woody_968 said:
Willie, I hope its not the same guy that Orner recommend to the pool room in Terre Haute. They did the worst job on these tables that I have ever seen. A local finally took two of the tables back apart and restretched them so they were at least playable.
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Woody,
I'm fairly certain its not (they have several installers). The guy I'm talking about is one of the best ever - according to my professional friends. He has fixed several tables for me and my friends that had been worked on by others. I would be shocked if he did the Terre Haute work (but I can ask him if you give me the name of the place). Any table this guy works on is perfect in every way - he has extremely high standards.
 
Well PTM, you got me confused... First you say, Quote "Proper method? Never heard of that being the proper methed. The proper Method is to add a shim", now you're saying the opposite. For TRIPLE SHIM tightness, longer rails is the ONLY way to go since the table plays "funny" with three shims, specially for 1-Pocket. Obviously the most cost productive time to do this is when the rubber requires replacing anyway. By the way, a competent table mechanic would also know how to extend the wood behind the rubber.

Troy
pooltablemech said:
There is a room here in town that has one GC2 that they double shimed. The owner and a friend of his did it them selves........and didn't shape the shims very good at all! Thus it looks bad and plays bad too.

What I said above about extending the rubber out............If the rubber is still good and you just want to shim up the pockets, there is no reason to replace the rubber to get that extra 1/4" of rubber............but if you are replacing the rubber anyway then it would be PROPER to make the rubber alitle longer and just put one facer on. But to do all that for just adding a facer is way overkill, on price and work!
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Look Troy.......Keep your childish shit on recsports. The guy never asked for a detailed list of replacing the rubber and adding wood..........He wanted to know about adding ONE SHIM.......and adding one shim to tighten up the pockets, there is no need to replace the rubber to get an extra 1/4" worth of rubber! So that's the PROPER way of adding a shim.

I remember your name on here and your one of the dipshits that just like to bash someone without any clue! If you got a problem with me my # is all over the place, so keep your childish shit jabs at the goof forum rec.billiard.putz!!
 
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Well PTM, I think you're confused... What is recsports ?? I don't go there. Also, I may have come down on someone occasionally but I doubt it was ever you and I doubt it could be called bashing.

Yes, for adding ONE SHIM I agree that replacing the rubber is not worth the cost. It all depends on how tight the person wants the pockets and how he wants the table to play. It certainly isn't rocket science.

Troy...~~~ Jeez...........
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Look Troy.......Keep your childish shit on recsports. The guy never asked for a detailed list of replacing the rubber and adding wood..........He wanted to know about adding ONE SHIM.......and adding one shim to tighten up the pockets, there is no need to replace the rubber to get an extra 1/4" worth of rubber! So that's the PROPER way of adding a shim.

I remember your name on here and your one of the dipshits that just like to bash someone without any clue! If you got a problem with me my # is all over the place, so keep your childish shit jabs at the goof forum rec.billiard.putz!!
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The reference was to your rude comment sounds like something from recbilliards.........Just hate the way some of you talk down to people like you have!
 
Williebetmore said:
Woody,
I'm fairly certain its not (they have several installers). The guy I'm talking about is one of the best ever - according to my professional friends. He has fixed several tables for me and my friends that had been worked on by others. I would be shocked if he did the Terre Haute work (but I can ask him if you give me the name of the place). Any table this guy works on is perfect in every way - he has extremely high standards.
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Willie, I figured they had more than one installer, so probably not the same guy. I used to advise a different room here in town and at that time we had a guy Orner recommended that was probably one of the best I have ever seen. I think his name was Randy, called his company Black Dog Billiards if I remember right. I was told he was no longer in the business, thats who they wanted to do the tables but couldnt get him from what I was told.

Woody
 
I have a similar table to the Gold Crown... but I too wanted to shim up the rails... do these shims come in different sizes? I was looking to shim 1/4" on each side of the pocket.
 
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