Shortening newly installed layered tips
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Cuemaker might answer that question, or Tip installer. My guess it is a personal preference. Know a I personally like a NEW Layered Tip only be shaped to Dime Radius, and Long.
Changes the hit/feel imo. Before layered, helped with mushrooming etc. Could be old habit for some.
Deflection and hit.
The less mass the end-less the deflection. Taking height off the tip reduces its mass.
As the tip gets thinner, it gets proportionately harder*.
After you pound the crap out of the tip the leather breaks down and it becomes proportionately softer.
A thinner tip does not become too soft, since you change it out before you pound the complete crap out of it.
(*) for exactly the same reason that shortening a spring makes it stiffer.
The less mass the end-less the deflection. Taking height off the tip reduces its mass.
As the tip gets thinner, it gets proportionately harder*.
After you pound the crap out of the tip the leather breaks down and it becomes proportionately softer.
A thinner tip does not become too soft, since you change it out before you pound the complete crap out of it.
(*) for exactly the same reason that shortening a spring makes it stiffer.
Don't look right
Shortening a tip has little-to-no effect on deflection.
Yes, only a certain length of the shaft's tip end (~8"?) is "counted" in the end mass that produces squirt - tip height shifts that length, replacing denser wood farther up the shaft with lighter leather at the end (where it's likely to be most effective).
pj
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It reduces end-mass. End-mass determines deflection.
Not by a lot, maybe only a tiny fraction, but less end-mass has less deflection.
It's interesting to me how different tips are made at different heights. Like I just got the Becue Core tip, and its a very tall tip (I think it has 12 layers).
Is it factor for people when deciding what tip (it's height) that they want? In other words, do people say to themselves, I don't want tip 'x' because it's too high or I don't want tip 'y' because its too short?
Is it factor for people when deciding what tip (it's height) that they want? In other words, do people say to themselves, I don't want tip 'x' because it's too high or I don't want tip 'y' because its too short?
The better players that I do tips for always have me shape them down to about 1/8" side length, no more. I think more than anything it's consistency in look and feel. Once they wear it down to less than 1/16" it's time for a new tip. Another funny thing, most better players in my area don't like layered tips or just expensive tips in general.
If you're going to cut a layered tip way down, why not just cut it in 1/2 then install? You get 2 tips from one. 
Many pros who use layered tips aren't happy with The Hit until they look like they're worn out... to us anyways.
I have 2 shafts that measure, taper, grain count and weigh near exact. When they were new they Hit darn near exactly the same. So I changed one shafts tip and woah, it was nothing like the other, it hit way softer. Ya, it was the same tip mfg., and ya I know all tips are not the same even when they're cut from the same hide right next to each other. But oddly when I took one shafts 8 layer tip down to 5, it hit better than the other shaft. Guess that tells me I like harder leather tips?
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Many pros who use layered tips aren't happy with The Hit until they look like they're worn out... to us anyways.
I have 2 shafts that measure, taper, grain count and weigh near exact. When they were new they Hit darn near exactly the same. So I changed one shafts tip and woah, it was nothing like the other, it hit way softer. Ya, it was the same tip mfg., and ya I know all tips are not the same even when they're cut from the same hide right next to each other. But oddly when I took one shafts 8 layer tip down to 5, it hit better than the other shaft. Guess that tells me I like harder leather tips?
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PracticeChampion
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My layered tip as soon as it's dry goes down to 5 layers. #1 because the hit is more solid, sorta like my old wood shaft feel #2 looks! Hate the look of a full tip 
PracticeChampion
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, I might try um! I can cut them in half and get 2 tips outta one 
I used to use LePro. I found (IMO) they played (felt) better when they were nearly worn out. They are more compressed and have a firmer hit. Then when I put a new one on, I didnt like it.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
If you have a good tip, letting it stand tall means you will have the same good tip for much longer. Scuffing with a gator grip just enough to clear the old spent chalk and lightly prep the leather and it will last a LONG time. I'm guessing my tip (Zan GripHard) will last at least a year with crazy amounts of play time. Maybe longer but only if the tip still feels like it has some life to it.
Sometimes tips need to be shortened to get them to feel right. If you are the type who shortens tips to get it to feel right, you need to use a harder tip.
One piece tips play best short partly because it makes them harder with less material to compress. You want them as hard as you can get them as long as they drink in the chalk. If your layered tip is hard enough the tall one plays like a good cut down single layer dud/le pro or something but instantly with no break in required.
Some people like super soft tips, but unless they change tips every 3 months they are playing with a medium after a while. Why not start with a medium and get used to how a tip should feel? Wouldn't it be better for it to be consistent from day 1 until you replace it much later?
Sometimes tips need to be shortened to get them to feel right. If you are the type who shortens tips to get it to feel right, you need to use a harder tip.
One piece tips play best short partly because it makes them harder with less material to compress. You want them as hard as you can get them as long as they drink in the chalk. If your layered tip is hard enough the tall one plays like a good cut down single layer dud/le pro or something but instantly with no break in required.
Some people like super soft tips, but unless they change tips every 3 months they are playing with a medium after a while. Why not start with a medium and get used to how a tip should feel? Wouldn't it be better for it to be consistent from day 1 until you replace it much later?
I see guy who I think know little killing Tips with Tip Tools.
They are constantly hiring Tip to point of frequent need to replace.
They are constantly hiring Tip to point of frequent need to replace.
Lost me on that one.