Landplayer
Registered
As a pool player, should he/she learn snooker fundamentals such as the stance, aiming, open bridge, grip, cue action ...... to play pool?? What are the consequences?
Last edited:
Should a pool player learn snooker fundamentals??
- Thread starter Landplayer
- Start date
When we talk about fundamentles, we usually mean your grip, bridge, stance, and stroke.
In both, you need a grip that cradles the cue, and remains consistent throughout the stroking motion. In both, you need a bridge that is comfortable and stable, and doesn't move during the stroking motion. In both, you need a stance that is comfortable, provides balance and stability to your body. And in both, your stroking motion needs to move the cue stick forward in a straight line.
You can call them snooker fundamentals, or pool fundamentals...but if you incorporate all of the above into your game, you will have a very solid foundation.
Steve
In both, you need a grip that cradles the cue, and remains consistent throughout the stroking motion. In both, you need a bridge that is comfortable and stable, and doesn't move during the stroking motion. In both, you need a stance that is comfortable, provides balance and stability to your body. And in both, your stroking motion needs to move the cue stick forward in a straight line.
You can call them snooker fundamentals, or pool fundamentals...but if you incorporate all of the above into your game, you will have a very solid foundation.
Steve
Yes, but it would have to be more than occassional. I would say once a week would do you some good. Learning snooker in general will add something to your pool game. Everything from potting, to precise cue ball control.
You'll get maximum benefit from practicing potting the blue off the spot, with the cueball in baulk.
ill add this to the alread great advice........
GENERALLY:
Pool players typically are less fundamentally sound than snooker players when it comes to solidity and comfort of stance, alignment, stroke and cueing precision.
This is most likely b/c snooker players probably are TAUGHT properly to play overseas from the get go......most pool players today learn from the top player they face in their local bar and that guy may be doing everything wrong and still pot balls so the learning player copies him/her and now continued the fundamentally unstable family tree.
Yea they are supposed to be the same thing basically b/c its accomplishing the same task in both styles of billiards...........but if you asked whos fundamentals should you copy the random pool players or the random snooker players......I'd have to strongly say to go with what you see the snooker player do over the pool player.
Especially if we are just talking about what you should be doing prior to tip to CB contact in regards to alignment/stance/stroke etc........
So its not that they have a better set of fundamentals....they just generally learn them and actually USE them. I'm sure this has alot to do with the conditions of play in the game of snooker as they are more rigid than those in pool....not that snooker is any harder or pool is any easier they are completely diff and uncomparable in my opinion and remember we forget that pool used to be played on a 10' table so the difficulty of conditions was greater back when and most likely the reason for better fundamentals in the past.
IMOP pool is a lost art. There was plenty of written info back in the day and the general player knew more of the basics as it was one of the most popular things to do anywhere at anytime since they had no nintendo or computer to surf and play on.
We didn't just invent all the info we see today its been around for a hundred years or more, the people forgot b/c the game went stagnant and participation dropped long ago......
basically I'm saying that no player today knows anymore than say Willie Hoppe or Greenleaf did and honestly our best probably don't know as much as guys like that from the past.....i think we are still trying to RE-DISCOVER many things that have been forgotten or lost in the game.
Sort of like banking by using a CTE hit and learning to feel the speed in which is a very consistent form of banking.......I cant remember seeing that in a book, and I can't remember the last time i heard of someone talking about it besides myself. I stumbled upon this and not untill i spoke with some old school players did i learn that it was old long forgotten info i fell upon.
I'm rambling now but i think you get my point. Just because you see a pool player that shoots good doesn't mean they have good fundamentals but more than likely if you see a snooker player thats playing well odds are they have sound fundamentals.
The fact of the matter is they are not pool or snooker fundamentals they are all BILLIARDS fundamentals which are supposed to be the same for every game or type. Because we see so many pool players in america we see a super broad range of "fundamentals" but that don't mean that any are correct.
Watch a top snooker player or get some private instruction to better and perfect your fundamentals.....don't just trust what you see mr local top shot in the pool hall or the bar do.
I named my custom cues Epignosis custom cues for good reason.....Epignosis is a greek term for full and true knowledge and the application of it. This is something I live by. I want the TRUTH and I want to apply what truths I have learned. Just seeing that word everyday helps me make the correct choices based on facts and not choosing on temperament or emotion etc....
I will not and refuse to apply things that are not true and correct, so i do proper reasearch and ask the right questions to find out those truths. There is only one persons fault for not knowing, that is our own......b/c once you have the question all you have to do is ask and the correct answer will come to you in time.
If you never do wrong you can only do right!
-Grey Ghost-
GENERALLY:
Pool players typically are less fundamentally sound than snooker players when it comes to solidity and comfort of stance, alignment, stroke and cueing precision.
This is most likely b/c snooker players probably are TAUGHT properly to play overseas from the get go......most pool players today learn from the top player they face in their local bar and that guy may be doing everything wrong and still pot balls so the learning player copies him/her and now continued the fundamentally unstable family tree.
Yea they are supposed to be the same thing basically b/c its accomplishing the same task in both styles of billiards...........but if you asked whos fundamentals should you copy the random pool players or the random snooker players......I'd have to strongly say to go with what you see the snooker player do over the pool player.
Especially if we are just talking about what you should be doing prior to tip to CB contact in regards to alignment/stance/stroke etc........
So its not that they have a better set of fundamentals....they just generally learn them and actually USE them. I'm sure this has alot to do with the conditions of play in the game of snooker as they are more rigid than those in pool....not that snooker is any harder or pool is any easier they are completely diff and uncomparable in my opinion and remember we forget that pool used to be played on a 10' table so the difficulty of conditions was greater back when and most likely the reason for better fundamentals in the past.
IMOP pool is a lost art. There was plenty of written info back in the day and the general player knew more of the basics as it was one of the most popular things to do anywhere at anytime since they had no nintendo or computer to surf and play on.
We didn't just invent all the info we see today its been around for a hundred years or more, the people forgot b/c the game went stagnant and participation dropped long ago......
basically I'm saying that no player today knows anymore than say Willie Hoppe or Greenleaf did and honestly our best probably don't know as much as guys like that from the past.....i think we are still trying to RE-DISCOVER many things that have been forgotten or lost in the game.
Sort of like banking by using a CTE hit and learning to feel the speed in which is a very consistent form of banking.......I cant remember seeing that in a book, and I can't remember the last time i heard of someone talking about it besides myself. I stumbled upon this and not untill i spoke with some old school players did i learn that it was old long forgotten info i fell upon.
I'm rambling now but i think you get my point. Just because you see a pool player that shoots good doesn't mean they have good fundamentals but more than likely if you see a snooker player thats playing well odds are they have sound fundamentals.
The fact of the matter is they are not pool or snooker fundamentals they are all BILLIARDS fundamentals which are supposed to be the same for every game or type. Because we see so many pool players in america we see a super broad range of "fundamentals" but that don't mean that any are correct.
Watch a top snooker player or get some private instruction to better and perfect your fundamentals.....don't just trust what you see mr local top shot in the pool hall or the bar do.
I named my custom cues Epignosis custom cues for good reason.....Epignosis is a greek term for full and true knowledge and the application of it. This is something I live by. I want the TRUTH and I want to apply what truths I have learned. Just seeing that word everyday helps me make the correct choices based on facts and not choosing on temperament or emotion etc....
I will not and refuse to apply things that are not true and correct, so i do proper reasearch and ask the right questions to find out those truths. There is only one persons fault for not knowing, that is our own......b/c once you have the question all you have to do is ask and the correct answer will come to you in time.
If you never do wrong you can only do right!
-Grey Ghost-
Last edited:
What a gem you slipped into that post!
Most instructors I talk with, and most pro players generally agree that players today try to make the game much more complicated and difficult that it was ever intended to be.
When it comes right down to it, the game is all about moving balls around a table with a stick. The physics of ball collisions and spinning balls, and the geometry of the angles hasn't changed, and never will.
I hear so many players say the change this or change that, try this tip or that shaft, or this stroke, or that system.....it makes my head spin sometimes.
Consistency! Learn to do the same thing the same (and correct) way every time. Focus on what you do behind the cue ball, and the results will be there out beyond the cue ball when you shoot.
K.I.S.S.
Steve
Hi Keebie,
good posting!
Hi Steve,
oh yes, i agree with you here-- i m also often wondering, how often some guys are switching their shafts ^^ like always and so often it s easier for the most ppl to search an error somewhere else---......just not able to understand, they re just unable to learn something simple-to fix their own mistakes and errors first,
lg
Ingo
good posting!
Hi Steve,
oh yes, i agree with you here-- i m also often wondering, how often some guys are switching their shafts ^^ like always and so often it s easier for the most ppl to search an error somewhere else---......just not able to understand, they re just unable to learn something simple-to fix their own mistakes and errors first,
lg
Ingo