Should Jayson Shaw be ejected given the "evidence"

Kris_b1104

Kris_b1104

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Should Jayson Shaw be disqualified for unsportsman like conduct? The video clearly shows him trying to win on a technicality and being violent!

Based on the "new" video evidence that clearly shows Jayson's unsportsman like conduct, he should have some consequence for behaving like that!!
 
Kris_b1104 said:
Should Jayson Shaw be disqualified for unsportsman like conduct? The video clearly shows him trying to win on a technicality and being violent!

Based on the "new" video evidence that clearly shows Jayson's unsportsman like conduct, he should have some consequence for behaving like that!!
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He threw balls, swung sticks coming close to hitting Earl and then threaten to beat him up outside. All of this AFTER a cynical "im a class Yewropean act" handshake.

Nothing personal agains Shaw but that behavior was for him to control. The rest of the debacle is the organizers fault. Where's the ref in a semifinal "world" championship?
 
Call 2 ball play 10 ball in a call game, and you are still at the table...seems like he's treated fairly...imo
 
Plus when Jayson stormed off towards the bathrooms he yanked a small child off the arcade games and drowned him in the toilet out of frustration. Maybe they should consider taking one or two Mosconi cup points away for that one.


Honestly, no. I don't care about either of these guys getting punished for their temper. The sport has long since decided to deal with Earl's temper just because his antics bring something different and we can't say others have to be punished for responding in kind. Sure, most days it's harmless, and Earl can be entertaining and most players know not to get bothered by some of his quirks and shit-talking and even appreciate it as part of his character, but there are other days he crosses that fine line where the usual strange charm of his bizarre behavior goes over to the dark side and he's clearly being an ugly atrocious sport. If that was the Earl that Jayson was dealing with on that day, I'm surprised Jayson held his temper together that long.

Earl, Jayson, and Dechaine all can have that jerky streak to them but let's be honest, pool isn't meant to have the same image as say snooker or golf. Hell, I used to play in places where I had to surreptitiously unscrew my cue all but a quarter turn as a situation got out of hand because I needed to have the butt ready to use as a club. I've been threatened with a knife. In some places, that is the reality behind the sport, so while some people want a very clean friendly image to professional play, a table tantrum here or there is not really all that bad considering this is not an elitist sport. Nor is it snooker where a bad call means you leave the tournament with £175,000 instead of £250,000.... these guys are lucky to make over the course of 2-3 years so there is going to be a temper flare when they feel cheated.
 
On the facts though, the outcome was right but that doesn't mean it was unreasonable to be upset about the situation.

The cell phone video without commentary makes it obvious that Earl said "two", although you could imagine hearing 'ten' when trying to hear over the commentary.

He realized his mistake immediately when Jayson got out of his chair even before anything was said. Before Jayson could open his mouth Earl corrected himself yelling 'TEN'. When Earl swings his stick at the floor you know that he knows it wouldn't be completely unreasonable to call a foul...he really thinks he screwed up.


But the overhead shows that he was clearly calling the pocket the ten goes in, which was the only ball besides the 15 that was makeable in any pocket. If both the 2 and 10 had been at all makeable, I would have sided with Jayson. But there was no shot at all where you would call the two, so I say let it play but it's not like Jayson didn't have the smallest room there to argue his case.

The excuse given by the official that 'I didn't hear any call on the video because of the commentary' was horseshit but still I think the right decision was ultimately reached.

The other thing I want to point out is before Earl shot, he went over to talk to some railbird about 'what Efren would do here' which was the carom... and he really really should not be discussing shots with the spectators. It's one thing thing for his usual antics to talk to a crowd generally at a major event but he was clearly talking to an individual in the somewhat informal setting of Steinway, and if his behavior seemed like it might invite a spectator to comment on a shot, I'd say that's something that needs to be addressed. If there was any carom that could possibly pocket the two on the decision should go against Earl here to teach him a lesson about talking to the spectators. But as it is, Earl hit the shot he meant to call and there was no way to pocket the two even if he was trying to predict how the pack would open, the four was obstructing the pocket. Doesn't mean Jayson has to be happy about it especially if that was the second time Earl did that in a match.
 
Shaw did start, violently.
As such, no matter what crap Strickland pulled, it's Shaw's fault.

As far as the referee goes - very weak behaviour. I'd have disqualified Shaw immediately after interfering with the game (touching, moving and throwing balls).

But I'm not American and I don't like drama and I'm 100% consequent.
Cheers.
M
 
Disqualified, yes.
I've never seen anyone get in the face of Dennis Hatch and act like that.
 
M.G. said:
Shaw did start, violently.
As such, no matter what crap Strickland pulled, it's Shaw's fault.

As far as the referee goes - very weak behaviour. I'd have disqualified Shaw immediately after interfering with the game (touching, moving and throwing balls).

But I'm not American and I don't like drama and I'm 100% consequent.
Cheers.
M
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Regardless of your opinion of the incident, the bigger issue is how poorly the entire tournament was conducted on several fronts. One, the fact that there was no designated referee for the match is indefensible for the producers. I get not being able to have a designated referee for every match, but by the time you get to this point in the tournament, a referee must be present. Second, changing the championship table to a Rasson on the fifth day of competition is completely unacceptable. I don't care if they were a sponsor or not, either the table is ready to go at the start of the tournament, or you don't use it. The properties of the side pockets completely changed the dynamics of every match played on the that table. If a manufacturer wants it's table to be used in a tournament, make sure all the parts of the table are onsite and the table is ready for use from the start. As I understand it, this table model will be used for the Mosconi Cup. Anyone think it won't be ready from the start at that event?

Maybe tournament pool might evolve to a more professional level if those in charge would produce something that resembles a professional event, as opposed to a barnstorming carnival rolling into town for the county fair.
 
I agree that the whole tourney could have been run better. I bought 1 day of the stream and wouldn't buy anymore, the stream table was terrible. The thought that first entered my mind was the producers just wanted to pocket more money. Refs should be standard at least for the quarter finals.
 
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