Sigel & Trudeau: Separated at Birth

An Apology

I said some hurtful things about people I don't personally know that I regret. I've erased those posts and hope that anyone who quoted anything negative I had to say will erase theirs, also.

I feel like Drivermaker was right about me. I try to be this sweet person and I was a total b****, and I apologise to everyone here.

It is not my intention to offend or hurt anyone.
 
drivermaker said:
LMAO...yeh, but certainly not in the style that you'd like to be supported from someone with a lot more moolah!! I predict an easy sell out.
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No one needs to spoil me... that's what my mommy does.

And just to let you know, I'm sure you have heard of Green Island Hills (or at least Green Island Country Club)... well, that's where I live here in Columbus. So you should know that I'm quite capable of taking care of myself.
 
Sweet Marissa said:
I said some hurtful things about people I don't personally know that I regret. I've erased those posts and hope that anyone who quoted anything negative I had to say will erase theirs, also.

I feel like Drivermaker was right about me. I try to be this sweet person and I was a total b****, and I apologise to everyone here.

It is not my intention to offend or hurt anyone.
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I accept your apology :D, it takes a big person to admit they were wrong and we all learn from mistakes, and I hope you do. Everyone is always entitled to their opinions and I have always enjoyed your posts, sometimes we all get off balance.


And to anyone else who wants to rag on Mike, just please remember without Mike this never happens, I'm not saying kiss his..., but please give the man the respect he rightfully deserves as a Hall of Famer and a person who did good things for the sport of pool.

And always remember a lot of great people have there hopes and dreams riding on this, some great people in this forum as well, lets support them all and the IPT!
 
Is Mike actually taking home the money?

A thought that just occurred to me, just to play cynic for a moment - Do people think Mike Siegel is actually taking the cash home, or is it possible he is an investor/owner of part of the IPT and simply re-invests the prize money? This would be an easy way to setup an (apparently) big money tour like the IPT but lessening the risk of actually paying out large quantities of cash for the first few tournaments as the business takes off. Following through with this cynical thought might answer the "Why Loree?" question many people had for the inaugural event, they'd want someone Sigel was very confident of beating so the money would stay within the IPT.

To put it another way, would anyone care less if Trudau had announced he was paying Sigel $250,000 a year for consultancy to help run the tour? I think it's just the way he promoting Sigel as the de-facto top dog player that is getting people upset, but after a few tournaments that will soon either be proven or moved aside.

I personally have no desire to see the IPT do anything but succeed for the simplest reason that more money is good for the sport. Yes, purists can argue the IPT is heading Pool towards a WWF environment (Heh, Earl would be perfect for that!) but the purists are free to continue running tournaments with a few dozen players competing for a few hundred dollars just the same as they do now.

As and when someone beats Sigel for the "King of the Hill" crown we'll have a clearer idea where this is heading. Possibly Trudau is hoping that by then the momentum of popularity will have built to the point he can market the TV rights and cover a lot of the expenses with advertising and product placement.

Oh and Marissa, whilst your apology was heartfelt and much appreciated, without penance it is meaningless. You are hereby sentenced to write something nice about every post you reply to for the rest of the week, without exception. Either that or we'll have to find a way to administer that spanking via TCP/IP.
 
I've said it all along-I think Mike conned Trudeau which may have been his greatest accomplishment in the world of pool.

Fortunately he couldnt do it without providing what is looking more and more like, at least a couple of the best paydays ever for the other pro players.
 
Rickw said:
They can't do any worse.
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The meaning behind of what I had stated, I ment to be a positive one and your correct RickW, they really can't do any worse. A friend of mine who is a consultant at a bank, is a serious pool enthusiest (you can see him an his crew on almost all of the major tournaments recorded on accu-stats) and he has a vast collection of collectable cues. Well, he is business first, enthusiest second and player 3rd.

The reason, I mention this, is that I think Kevin Trudeau is a similar person whom I think will make decisions on that basis on what is best for the tour, the fans and the players, based on the feedback of the players, fans and the sporting public. I don't think he will be concerned about how much money is going to be made over the next few years as long as the IPT tour is becoming a solid tour. And if that comes to pass, then major sponsorship will want to get on board as well, like we see on the PBA tour (Pepsi, Coke, Babe Ruth (candy), etc..


I am sure with each passing event, changes will be made all around and including the format of having the previous champion slotted into the finals. Now, hopefully, alot of the young players will be able to stay with the game without giving it up to get a full time job. We possibly get to see them become world champions like Mike Sigel....


I also have to add, that with this large amount of money involved, and as the tour becomes more successful, Live TV could become involved as well and maybe, just maybe, pool players could become house hold names....
 
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AuntyDan said:
A thought that just occurred to me, just to play cynic for a moment - Do people think Mike Siegel is actually taking the cash home, or is it possible he is an investor/owner of part of the IPT and simply re-invests the prize money? This would be an easy way to setup an (apparently) big money tour like the IPT but lessening the risk of actually paying out large quantities of cash for the first few tournaments as the business takes off. Following through with this cynical thought might answer the "Why Loree?" question many people had for the inaugural event, they'd want someone Sigel was very confident of beating so the money would stay within the IPT.

To put it another way, would anyone care less if Trudau had announced he was paying Sigel $250,000 a year for consultancy to help run the tour? I think it's just the way he promoting Sigel as the de-facto top dog player that is getting people upset, but after a few tournaments that will soon either be proven or moved aside.

I personally have no desire to see the IPT do anything but succeed for the simplest reason that more money is good for the sport. Yes, purists can argue the IPT is heading Pool towards a WWF environment (Heh, Earl would be perfect for that!) but the purists are free to continue running tournaments with a few dozen players competing for a few hundred dollars just the same as they do now.

As and when someone beats Sigel for the "King of the Hill" crown we'll have a clearer idea where this is heading. Possibly Trudau is hoping that by then the momentum of popularity will have built to the point he can market the TV rights and cover a lot of the expenses with advertising and product placement.......

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AuntyDan,

That is a real interesting take on this. Its quite possible that this is true and that is really thinking outside the box. If you really think about it, how does the king of the hill, become king of the hill, when there was no hill or king to begin with. It has to start somewhere and Kevin created a hill and a king with Mike Sigel, what a great combo of people to start a tour.

Now the challenge is open to anyone on the IPT Tour. Your take on this was, I think, really insightful.

Now lets talk about Sweet Marissa's spanking....
 
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Sweet Marissa said:
No one needs to spoil me... that's what my mommy does.

And just to let you know, I'm sure you have heard of Green Island Hills (or at least Green Island Country Club)... well, that's where I live here in Columbus. So you should know that I'm quite capable of taking care of myself.
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I've never heard of it...it means nothing to me. Columbus, GA might as well be Columbus, Ohio...I've never been to either one and probably never will.
 
Nostroke said:
I've said it all along-I think Mike conned Trudeau which may have been his greatest accomplishment in the world of pool.

Fortunately he couldnt do it without providing what is looking more and more like, at least a couple of the best paydays ever for the other pro players.
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How do you figure that Mike conned Kevin Trudeau? IF, as some people like to point out relentlessly, Kevin is such a great con man himself, then he is certainly the better con man of the two when you compare their respective earnings.

I think that it is just as Kevin has stated - pool on his terms will produce championship pool that is television worthy for prime time. Whether there is some smoke and mirrors going on with payouts and highly seeded spots is irrelevant - the chance is there for a large number of players to EARN a real living doing what they do best.

I was at the first event and one two things are clear. 1. Kevin Trudeau is serious and 2. Mike Sigel can still PLAY.

But, if it doesn't work out then pool is NO WORSE off than it is now. If it does then perhaps it will encourage other entities with money to start promoting their own pool events and tours.

John
 
drivermaker said:
I've never heard of it...it means nothing to me. Columbus, GA might as well be Columbus, Ohio...I've never been to either one and probably never will.
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Green Island has one of the nicest golf courses in the state. Just thought you'd have heard of it since you play.
 
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breakup said:
Pool needs to have more SHOW BIZ and I think it is getting a shot of it
A little WWF wouldn’t hurt anything. They know how to make a show
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So what your saying...is that our, seedy, smoke filled, hustler infested pool room image needs to be refined into the fake punching, cheesy acting, steroid injected wrestling circus? :rolleyes:
Made me think of those commercials that showed what other sports(golf,bowling and pool) would be like if they were more like hockey :)
 
onepocketchump said:
How do you figure that Mike conned Kevin Trudeau? IF, as some people like to point out relentlessly, Kevin is such a great con man himself, then he is certainly the better con man of the two when you compare their respective earnings.
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How? He got him to put up all this money for this tour which IMHO he will never recover and on top of that he got him to structure it so that Mike was guaranteed to be World Champion which guaranteed him a second place finish in the 2nd tournament which amounts to a cool $250K or more. Did you figure a national research outfit came up with that idea?

Im not blaming Mike-good for him and good for his long coattails which look to benefit some deserving players.

Anyone have those TV dates for the LJJ/Sigel match?
 
Nostroke said:
How? He got him to put up all this money for this tour which IMHO he will never recover and on top of that he got him to structure it so that Mike was guaranteed to be World Champion which guaranteed him a second place finish in the 2nd tournament which amounts to a cool $250K or more. Did you figure a national research outfit came up with that idea?

Im not blaming Mike-good for him and good for his long coattails which look to benefit some deserving players.

Anyone have those TV dates for the LJJ/Sigel match?
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Did it ever occur to you that Kevin Trudeau has a brain of his own? Does it take a rocket scientist to figure out that the connection is Kevin's book AND a relatively cheap entry into a popular pastime's professional side? Did you stop to think that perhaps Kevin already owns or has nearly unlimited access to all the tools to produce "shows". Maybe Kevin himself has read the history of billiards and knows that it was once a nationally followed sport?

I doubt that Mike was the one who came up with this "King of the Hill" format. Mike's ego is big enough to want to EARN the title through his pool playing. I have said for YEARS that anyone with a couple million could OWN pro pool. I am sure that Kevin sees this opportunity coinciding with his book sales, coupled with the opportunity to be charitable to his friend and pool mentor.

So, again, you don't seriously think that Kevin cares about the production costs when you consider the gain he gets from television exposure through proven entertainment. The real con is when you believe that what we on this forum squawk about has ANY signifigance whatsoever in the outside world.

Let's hope that with the advent of a professional tour with huge money in it that the secondary circuit will be more available to players of our caliber.

John
 
Some people just love to complain. And a lot of people like conspiracy theories.
 
onepocketchump said:
Did it ever occur to you that Kevin Trudeau has a brain of his own? Does it take a rocket scientist to figure out that the connection is Kevin's book AND a relatively cheap entry into a popular pastime's professional side? Did you stop to think that perhaps Kevin already owns or has nearly unlimited access to all the tools to produce "shows". Maybe Kevin himself has read the history of billiards and knows that it was once a nationally followed sport?

I doubt that Mike was the one who came up with this "King of the Hill" format. Mike's ego is big enough to want to EARN the title through his pool playing. I have said for YEARS that anyone with a couple million could OWN pro pool. I am sure that Kevin sees this opportunity coinciding with his book sales, coupled with the opportunity to be charitable to his friend and pool mentor.

So, again, you don't seriously think that Kevin cares about the production costs when you consider the gain he gets from television exposure through proven entertainment. The real con is when you believe that what we on this forum squawk about has ANY signifigance whatsoever in the outside world.

Let's hope that with the advent of a professional tour with huge money in it that the secondary circuit will be more available to players of our caliber.

John
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Well i certainly never stopped to consider of any of those things. Only someone at your advanced cerebral level could have done that. I just dont have the brain capacity you have. It must be nice to be the smartest man in the world, knowing that you dont have to respect anyone else's opinion. Good luck to you though i am sure that is the last thing someone of your superior intellect needs.
 
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Here's something to consider , maybe there's the possibility of reality T.V. shows and in the trenches of the players day to day life !!!!!!!! JJ
 
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