Sigel vs. Reyes DVD - $50!

my review (long)

Here is my review of the Sigel vs. Reyes DVD.

As you've probably already heard or read, the match itself wasn't the highest quality of matches, especially considering the players involved. Reyes and Sigel had uncharacteristically too many unforced errors. Sigel was plagued with numerous positional errors and missed table-lenghted shots, not to mention experienced a lot of unlucky rolls. Efren missed several even simpler shots. If Sigel didn't make a few early gaffs early in the match, the match would have been A LOT closer and more entertaining.

On a positive note, both Reyes and Sigel did string together several impressive outs. It's entertaining to hear Sigel talk, especially if things are not going his way. And it's also funny to hear Efren yell out after making the final 8, since I don't think he's ever done something like that before. You think he was paid by the IPT to exhibit emotion after sinking the final 8? ;)

As for the production quality and coverage of the match, I'd have to say it was a disappointment. Yes, you can definitely tell it is a big-budget production. The coverage has lots of bells and whistles, such as numerous camera angles, instant replay, pre and post player interviews, smokes and sound...etc. But when it comes to just telling the story of the pool match itself, sometimes less is more.

Although there are obviously numerous cameras that cover the match (compared to your typical accustats and ESPN coverage), many of the camera angles are just annoying, extraneous, and totally unnecessary. It is especially frustrating when they show a closeup of the OB going into the pocket while totally neglecting displaying the path the CB takes around the table. This would be appropriate if the player is shooting the 8, but not so for all the other balls, since the CB path with respect to the entire table layout is what is most informative.

As for the commentary, it is by far the worst part of the entire production. There are three commentators...Matt Vasgersian, KT, and Loree Jon Jones. Matt shows he knows nothing about pool, and he provides zero useful commentary. KT is just extremely annoying to listen to, and acts and talks as if he's a total expert of the game. Trudeau talks more than the two other commentators combined, and all the while I just kept wishing he keep his mouth shut (there is a two-minute span when he keeps saying "Efrem").

Loree Jon Jones supposedly provides the "professional" commentary. Although she gives more useful info than the other two combined (not hard to do), her commentary totally lacks in the strategy department (unacceptable for an 8ball match). LJJ just doesn't provide nearly enough basic strategy talk that would satisfy the average pool player, or be beneficial to the typical banger seeking to improve his game. Not only does she lack substance, sometimes she is even flat out clueless as to what Efren was trying to do at the table. I'll provide a specific example...

The most unforgivable part of LLJ's commentary happens in the second rack of the second set. Reyes is in the middle of his run shooting stripes. The 8 ball doesn't have clear paths to the two closer corner pockets because solid balls are blocking its paths to those pockets. Reyes executes a brilliant shot, pocketing a stripe in the side pocket while steering the CB two rails (you really can't see the CB path, because the camera shows a closeup of the OB going into the pocket) and running perfectly into the 7 ball that is blocking the 8's path to one of the corner pockets. LJJ says, "Obviously Efren didn't want to run into the 7", thinking he screwed up positioning to a hanger on the other end of the table. What?? Any decent 8ball player would have known he planned to do exactly that, since he wouldn't have had a pocket for the 8 if hadn't done so (there is actually some applause in the stands after Efren's shot, most likely from the players' section). Her comment not only totally disregards Efren's impressive shot, but she makes it seem that Efren was careless! Totally unacceptable commentary!

To sum up my review, I think the DVD would disappoint a lot of us pool players used to watching accustats tapes. Although the average joe might be impressed by the expensive production, there is only so much strategy and insight one can obtain from watching the DVD due to the subpar commentary. Although it might be worth $25, I'm sad to say it's not worth my $50 investment. :(

If I was in charge of the IPT, these are three improvements that I feel are a MUST for their future DVDs...

1) Cut down on the numerous camera angles when the player shoots. Sure they are great for replays and dead time in between shots, but when the player actually shoots the shot, stick with the standard camera angle that is directly in front of the table that shows the entire table layout. Remember, the most interesting part is watching the CB path in relation with the other balls on the table. It is not watching the OB fall into the pocket.

2) Get rid of the current commentators, especially KT! Put in experienced commentators that have done 8ball commentary before. Personally, I would like to see Billy Incardona in the booth (if he's not playing himself).

3) Reduce the price. The only reason I bought this DVD is because it's Sigel vs. Reyes. I still think that $50 for a single match is absurd. I'm pretty sure I won't be purchasing another $50 DVD in the future, especially if the production is similar to this DVD.

If anyone else has seen this DVD, I'd be interested in what you think of it.
 
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Great summary of the DVD. I do not see myself purchasing any of these either, especially now.
Very nice of you to take the time to give us the very thorough review.

Peace, jbk
 
Thanks for taking the time to write that, jsp. It was an extremely informative review.

I cannot believe the commentators. I watched about ten minutes of the Sigel/Jones match, and was shocked that KT was doing so much talking. With all these professional players at his disposal (any of whom would do anything for KT right now), how could he pick this crew for commentating the premier match? I do not even know who Matt V. is.

I am speechless that KT would throw all this money into the tour and then not professionalize the broadcasting.

The broadcasting team should be Grady Matthews and Billy Incardona. A treasure-trove of knowledge, a comfortable rapport with each other and the audience, and plenty of humor.

- Steve
 
KT is on an ego trip. He does way too much talking in the Sigel instruction DVD too. He is pleasant to listen to but he just goes overboard.

I didn't buy the Sigel-Reyes DVD because it is too expensive and it was not an interesting match. People who went to it in person told me they were sorely dissappointed. But that is not something that could be orchestrated. The match is what it is. Like a prize fight that is over before you get to your seat.

Jake
 
Steve Lipsky said:
I do not even know who Matt V. is.- Steve

Matt Vasgersian is a well-known baseball announcer. He was the voice of the Milwaukee Brewers and (I think) the San Diego Padres.

He is probably least remembered as the lead announcer on numerous XFL football broadcasts a few years ago.

I remember him best for being the voice of the AA El Paso Diablos when I was living in El Paso, TX.

I can guarantee you that his qualification for commentating a pool match of any kind is nil, but that hardly stops him from accepting any job that comes down the pike, including Ultimate Fighting matches recently.
 
jjinfla said:
KT is on an ego trip. He does way too much talking in the Sigel instruction DVD too. He is pleasant to listen to but he just goes overboard.
WOW Jake, I'm impressed!
 
Timberly said:
WOW Jake, I'm impressed!

Me too, wow Jake yoyu actually found some grey area and said it like it is! Be careful though you might get labelled an IPT hater now hehe:eek:

Dragged kicking and screaming maybe but welcome to the real world Jake! :D :rolleyes:
 
Actually if you guys wern't so blinded by your hate you would realize that my decisions are usually based on evidence and facts.
 
reyes-segel match

It should not be too long before copies of this match are on Ebay..At a better price im sure..
have patience...
 
jjinfla said:
Actually if you guys wern't so blinded by your hate you would realize that my decisions are usually based on evidence and facts.
We're not filled with hate and you're not always basing the things you say on evidence and facts. I'm not going to go back through your posts to prove it but I remember quite a few that were pure speculation on your part about people that you didn't know but I do. ;)
 
I have still yet to receive my Sigel Reyes DVD. ordered back on March 30th as well. Hopefully this one wont take longer then a month to get like the Sigel Jones DVD.
 
jsp said:
Just noticed that the Sigel vs. Reyes DVD is now available on the IPT website for $50. That's kinda pricey. Do people think it's worth the money?

Also, does anyone know when the $10 DVDs of the other matches will be available? And when the heck will they tell us news of the KOTH on TV! (I'm just as impatient as Bernie.)
I was interested in buying the dvd before I saw the price. I can spend money on gadgets and anything else that ends up being useless, but I wouldn't pay $50 for a DVD about a match, esp. after reading the reviews. I saw the LJJ/Sigel match on TV and was waiting for the DVD to come out due to the fact that they showed about 15 shots on the broadcast, the rest focused on the production and commentary.

I just checked the other prices in the store, and $50 for a DVD is comparable to $25 for a T-Shirt. I'm loosing interest in the IPT fast because it appears to be a way for KT to make high profits off of unsuspecting pool devotees. I always kind of respected KT for starting the league and helping out pool, but greed is powerful stuff. His pool is turning out to be as much b.s. as his book.
 
ndakotan said:
I just checked the other prices in the store, and $50 for a DVD is comparable to $25 for a T-Shirt. I'm loosing interest in the IPT fast because it appears to be a way for KT to make high profits off of unsuspecting pool devotees. I always kind of respected KT for starting the league and helping out pool, but greed is powerful stuff. His pool is turning out to be as much b.s. as his book.

Actually I don't think it's greed as much as an out right marketing mistake, the thinking may be there are only so many that will buy the DVD and will do so regardless nothing more nothing less. But the right marketing approach for a new upstart would be to sell it for as low a pricce as you can. Since DVD's cost less then then $2 to press including the packaging, the real cost is the production. The smart thing to do is sell them for $14.95, and trust me they would make the exact same amount and most likely more.

The way they are thinking, say you sell 500 at $50 for a total of $25,000 (of course I have no idea of the amount, but I do know at $50 you will sell way less, my numbers are just an example)

At lower price of say 14.95 you could most likely sell 5 times 500 for a total of $37,375 especially if it gets into other retailers or Pool Rooms (even at a wholesale rate) This does 2 things,

1, you get your product in the hands of more potential supporters for the IPT, that will be buying other IPT products.

2. You get many more people seeing your advertising.


The thing he and many Corporate business miss completely is the opportunity to get more people interested in your product and thus more people hooked to sell to and more that will see advertising.

Google got this right, as do many new school startups, GIVE IT AWAY FOR FREE NOW AND WORRY ABOUT PROFITS LATER AFTER YOU GET PEOPLE HOOKED!!!!! Heck a whole market was dominated by Paypal, who not only gave it away free, but PAID! people to sign up:)

So the smart thing to do would be to get IPT DVD's in as many peoples hands as you can! I would be willing to bet the majority of us would shell out 9.99-14.95 for multiple IPT DVD's, and the general public will always toss that much for a gift or just to check it out, but anything more then 14.95 will shut out a large new market and also push people to "resell" and...ahhmm share:D But at the right price people tend not to care as much and just buy regardless and tend to also keep the material.

If I had the means, and I was starting up a Pool league I would be giving away free promotional DVD's of certain matches, I would also make my Hats, Shirts etc. all very cheap to start, you could even have a deluxe or exclusive line of clothing and a cheaper line to get out into the masses, how many IPT shirts and hats do you think we will be seeing at the current prices? you guessed it, not much!

If you start high and have to lower prices it looks bad, better to start low and have to raise prices, heck @ $50 I would throw in the IPT hat for free:eek:
 
Comments

Slim - good comments ...... I wonder if William Morris agency influenced
the $50 DVD price with their 'New York' mindset.
 
I think what influenced the Morris Agency is what price will their target audiance bear.

This was the first match that the IPT produced and I am sure that the target audiance was not the lower blue collar pool player but the upscale pool admirer. Not even a pool player. And of course the Phillippines.

Since this was the very first in a series it may have collector value in the future. And it will have status value now. I suspect many will be purchased by the business community and be placed on desks and walls for display and not even watched. Or given away as gifts.

It all depends on how many they sell. If they sold what they anticipated then they did okay. If they sold more than anticipated then they did excellent.

It also may have been an excellent marketing strategy in that the majority of pool players will look at the price and think it is soooo high that when the rest of the DVD's start coming out at $29.95 or $19.95 we will be lining up to buy them.

And keep in mind that this DVD has immortalized two of the greats of the pool world. It is just too bad that it wasn't a closer match.

Jake
 
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Even if it was the greatest match of the tourney....which it wasn't, I still wouldn't be able to justify spending $50 for a DVD.
 
jsp said:
The most unforgivable part of LLJ's commentary happens in the second rack of the second set. Reyes is in the middle of his run shooting stripes. The 8 ball doesn't have clear paths to the two closer corner pockets because solid balls are blocking its paths to those pockets. Reyes executes a brilliant shot, pocketing a stripe in the side pocket while steering the CB two rails (you really can't see the CB path, because the camera shows a closeup of the OB going into the pocket) and running perfectly into the 7 ball that is blocking the 8's path to one of the corner pockets. LJJ says, "Obviously Efren didn't want to run into the 7", thinking he screwed up positioning to a hanger on the other end of the table. What?? Any decent 8ball player would have known he planned to do exactly that, since he wouldn't have had a pocket for the 8 if hadn't done so (there is actually some applause in the stands after Efren's shot, most likely from the players' section). Her comment not only totally disregards Efren's impressive shot, but she makes it seem that Efren was careless! Totally unacceptable commentary!
The Sigel vs. Reyes match is on OLN right now. Let's see if they'll show this rack. And if they do, I'm interested to see if they editted out what LJJ said.
 
jsp said:
The Sigel vs. Reyes match is on OLN right now. Let's see if they'll show this rack. And if they do, I'm interested to see if they editted out what LJJ said.
Which was???
 
unknownpro said:
Which was???
They edited out the second rack of the second set, so I guess the public didn't get to hear of LJJ's commentating gaff. I guess that's a good thing.
 
jsp said:
They edited out the second rack of the second set, so I guess the public didn't get to hear of LJJ's commentating gaff. I guess that's a good thing.
Not sure if you noticed this either but... some of the commentating for the entire match was different (I noticed this when Sigel banked an 8 ball short of the side pocket and said "it went long" when it didnt, I remember Lori saying something there on the DVD that was left out on the broadcast and was changed). Also they used other some other camera angles on the broadcast, different then whats on the DVD. I assume they saw some people *****ing about how they couldnt se certain shots and because of the bad camera work and tried to fix it. I think they did an OK job.

Overall, it wasnt much different then the DVD, but I still watched it :D
 
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