slow and deliberate vs fast and freewheeling

twilight

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I've been in a bit of a slump for a while so I went back to basics using as little english as needed. I also have been slowing my game down a bit to focus on each shot. I thought it was helping but I kept getting worse and worse. Now today I just said oh well lets just bang balls around fast. So i started shooting a little faster than normal and I was playing great. Here's the problem; I could only play this well if I used english on every shot. It seems that I play better when I can spin the balls in. It also seems that I can't play center ball shots well either. I'm using some serious extreme english alot to get shape and I'm using side to throw nearly straight, but not quite straight shots into the pocket instead of just aiming at the point of contact. Is this bad?
 
I wonder about this as well.

Do I shoot by instinct, or slow, mechanical and methodical.

I really can't decide what works best.
 
What is one of the most devistating things you can do to a player? You alter their natural Rythem. If you feel confortable playing fast and loose do so, but not at the expense of your game. Player of this nature, not much of a threat untill they get going, and when they get going, they keep going. where as a more methodical player will be steady and maybe not make as many balls, but also doesnt make as many mistakes. So I really dont see any advantage one way or the other. It's the extremes of these styles that cause a player problems. take to long you loose focus, to fast and you loose focus. So find your happy medium and stick with it.

For years I played and I didnt want to stroke more than once or twice, I was set ready to fire, the extra strokes just seemed to be wasted time. so I was methodical and fast. the more I stroked the worse I got. Now I stroke maybe 4-5 times on tough shots, 3-5 on everything else.

I consider fast and loose more of a throwing style, or a slower methodical player more of a shooting style. likely the throwing style will benifit the players who are naturaly talented, and the shooting style benifitting those who need to work hard to play well, or the not so gifted players. I happen to be not so talented and prefere a shooting style but not taking all day. So you may be able to just lunge and capture prey, I need to stalk it. the end result is the same, I just need to work at a lil more.

I do consider a pro to be a player really without a style, they incorporate all styles into thier game for any situation, but you can tell what style was thier originaly. Efren to me is cold and calculating with the flare of a expert swordsman. for example. So not only will you be cut, you will be cut deep indeed.


Just some food for thought, these are my opinions, and I could very well be very wrong, this is basicaly How I think as a player. so take it for what its worth...


SPNDOKTOR
 
Well said indeed, on a professional level you can see all styles. Two extremes that come to mind would be Archer and McCready

Archer> look at the shot, get down, stroke, pick lint, get up, get down, stroke, pick lint, shoot

McCready> glance at the shot, get down, one stroke, shoot


Jake
 
I've been shooting faster lately, and getting better at it - but the truth is my real speed comes out when I take about 10-15 seconds on each shot - I pocket balls better, CB's better, and I just think more clearly.
I can't make a ball when I try to shoot fast, because I need to find my contact point, I don't just see it.
I'm working on finding the middle ground so I can play calm, and methodical, but not take so long on each shot.
 
twilight said:
Here's the problem; I could only play this well if I used english on every shot. It seems that I play better when I can spin the balls in. ... Is this bad?

I seem to recall, when I first started watching 9-ball on TV, seeing an interview with Earl in which he claimed that the difference between pros and amateurs was that the pros spin the cue ball.
 
I too experimented with this over many years. I found by NOT thinking about pace and letting it happen naturally all works itself out, but I trying different things in practice is a great idea. Also, when playing 9ball my pace is "Earl like" compared to say 1 pocket where my pace is a little slower because a miss play can be devastating.

I like Efrens pace. After each shot no matter how easy, he takes a look around, then proceeds with his plan.

I see some players go from one shot to the next, get down on the shot, then start to look around while in shooting stance. This almost always puts a second thought in their head, and messes with the PSR causing a miss play.

good thread!

Gerry
 
Scaramouche said:
I seem to recall, when I first started watching 9-ball on TV, seeing an interview with Earl in which he claimed that the difference between pros and amateurs was that the pros spin the cue ball.


Ya, Earl has said a lot of things in his pool career. I'm not taking many of them to the bank. Maybe he meant "the pro's know WHEN to spin the rock".....randyg
 
twilight said:
I've been in a bit of a slump for a while so I went back to basics using as little english as needed. I also have been slowing my game down a bit to focus on each shot. I thought it was helping but I kept getting worse and worse. Now today I just said oh well lets just bang balls around fast. So i started shooting a little faster than normal and I was playing great. Here's the problem; I could only play this well if I used english on every shot. It seems that I play better when I can spin the balls in. It also seems that I can't play center ball shots well either. I'm using some serious extreme english alot to get shape and I'm using side to throw nearly straight, but not quite straight shots into the pocket instead of just aiming at the point of contact. Is this bad?
Maybe just slowing down your pace a little...don't change the spin you would normally use...look over shots more and view them from different angles...
 
i find that my best play is when i am in rhythm. it doesnt matter if its fast or slow, just that i pace myself to a regular beat that doesnt change too often.
 
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