Snapped a bunch of photo's last night, now I need your help

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glfgd82

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Was at the pool hall last night when the owner got back a bunch of his collection that he sent out to get re-buffed, most are going into the showcase for sale, but we are trying to gauge the market for these, now most of them are older cues some 10-20+ years old, and comparing them to new market items is pretty hard, so if you can help out it would be appreciated, I have lots of pics and if anyone is interrested in anything and needs full details and pics, let me know and I can get them. All of these have the original shaft, alot are either unplayed or only test hit, and I will say most of them are in the 90-95% condition (some got a few knicks from the move they just made)

Heres the first set:

Blackboar: Pretty simple 4pt cue, not sure how to identify the age of the cue, any specifics that might get it down to an approx. date would be appreciated. The Ebony points are very deep with a slight red tint in just the right light.
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Its George: Both of these are made by It's George, the owner noted that the 4 pt. was made by Bill Schick, I do not know the history of that and cannot confirm 100% hoping someone can chime in:
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More to come in a moment
 
Bill Schick did not MAKE any of the It's George cues. He simply told the guy some equipment to buy as a recommendation. My understanding is whoever makes It's George cues was indeed affiliated with It's George cases...but no...Bill did not make any of the cues.
 
Next is a Joss East, again not sure how to date these cues, mainly looking for ideas on how to date them, as well as I have not had a chance to sit down and catalog the full details of each of them. I know this shaft is warped for sure, but overall its pretty much brand new.

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Next is a pair of Joss West's that are slightly played, in about 85-80% conditon, they look to have cortland wraps (feels like it as well) and the owner believes these date back toward the early 70's/late 60's.

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This is an older Schon, the shaft was made before they put the name on them, I am sending photo's to Evan today to get more info about the cue.

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A pair of Meucci's both unplayed, one is a Rempe edt. and the other is a SE III
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Couple of the last ones I have photos of to start with, here is a Mottey Jump/Break cue made back in 92 not sure about the other which is a 4pt. playing cue, the ebony has a pretty nice red figuring that is DEEP.

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Last is just an interresting cue that was given to him by Dennis Dieckman, figured I'd just post it to see what everyone thought of it:

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If anyone can help me out, it would be much appreciated, just want to learn more about cues...thanks,


James
 
on the it's george cues the information is as follows:
bill schick actually did make the 1st 10 cues when the company was getting everything setup in the shop. but after the 10th cue he just supervised from that time. him and wayne anderson left the company when the numbering was around 1100 to 1160. and the numbering system started at 100 which is hand scraped in the weight bolt in each cue. wayne does not know what happened after bill and him left. but if i had to guess just looking at the picture i would say that the inlayed cue is around the #900 to #1000 and the green cue is after #1100. maybe we can get a response from this gentleman after he reads this post.
thanks shane
 
glfgd82 said:
Next is a Joss East, again not sure how to date these cues, mainly looking for ideas on how to date them, as well as I have not had a chance to sit down and catalog the full details of each of them. I know this shaft is warped for sure, but overall its pretty much brand new.

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i might be interested in purchasing this cue.. if you ever decide on a price, please let me know.. i used to have a cue very similar to it...

thanx..
chris
 
ChrisOnline said:
i might be interested in purchasing this cue.. if you ever decide on a price, please let me know.. i used to have a cue very similar to it...

thanx..
chris
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Chris,hopefully it wont be a long ordeal to get these cues priced out and get accurate descriptions of them all as well as conditions, this is just the start and I'm trying to learn as much about all of this as possible, I will set you over a PM as soon as I get a sure value from the owner.


I HAVE HAD MANY PM'S ALREADY, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A PRICE IN MIND YET, AND THESE ARE NOT MY CUES, SO I CANNOT GET PIC'S OF THEM RIGHT AWAY, I WILL TRY TO BE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE THOUGH.
 
bells said:
The Dieckman is the best cue of the lot...................nice cues
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Its a pretty nice cue, only played maybe 10 hours, the owner has 3 other dieckman's one being one of the first 5 cues he ever produced, pretty neat to see the transition he has made from the early ones.
 
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glfgd82 said:
Its a pretty nice cue, only played maybe 10 hours, the owner has 3 other dieckman's one being one of the first 5 cues he ever produced, pretty neat to see the transition he has made from the early ones.
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I perosnaly think that dieckmans full butterfly splice cues play as a good as a regular full splice cue. I have been to his shop many times and he is a trip. He has a huge amount of wood and man does he know wood. Some blanks that he has hanging from his ceiling are over ten years old.
 
wade said:
on the it's george cues the information is as follows:
bill schick actually did make the 1st 10 cues when the company was getting everything setup in the shop. but after the 10th cue he just supervised from that time. him and wayne anderson left the company when the numbering was around 1100 to 1160. and the numbering system started at 100 which is hand scraped in the weight bolt in each cue. wayne does not know what happened after bill and him left. but if i had to guess just looking at the picture i would say that the inlayed cue is around the #900 to #1000 and the green cue is after #1100. maybe we can get a response from this gentleman after he reads this post.
thanks shane
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And for those who don't know --- Wayne Anderson is Bella Sera Cues out of Louisiana and a member of the American Cuemakers Association
Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com
 
I just found out from Evan at Schon cues that the schon pictured is a one of a kind that was made 20-25 years ago. Now I just have to figure out the rest, that was the easy one...lol
 
wade said:
on the it's george cues the information is as follows:
bill schick actually did make the 1st 10 cues when the company was getting everything setup in the shop. but after the 10th cue he just supervised from that time. him and wayne anderson left the company when the numbering was around 1100 to 1160. and the numbering system started at 100 which is hand scraped in the weight bolt in each cue. wayne does not know what happened after bill and him left. but if i had to guess just looking at the picture i would say that the inlayed cue is around the #900 to #1000 and the green cue is after #1100. maybe we can get a response from this gentleman after he reads this post.
thanks shane
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I believe there are 12 cues that Bill helped with and engraved because they wanted to set up for the BCA that year and their stamp had not come in yet.

Jim
 
i_maycotte said:
Bill Schick did not MAKE any of the It's George cues. He simply told the guy some equipment to buy as a recommendation. My understanding is whoever makes It's George cues was indeed affiliated with It's George cases...but no...Bill did not make any of the cues.
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Wayne Anderson of Bella Sera Cues (May/July 2006 Inside Pool, I think) was the cuemaker at It's George. He was the casemaker at It's George prior to switching to make cues. Bill Schick set up their shop, as well as set his own shop in the same building. Bill made Schick Cues, Wayne and Cosmo Gray made It's George Cues. Bill taught the two how to make cues.

Was there overlap during the It's George years? I would think there would have to be. To what extent, I don't know. Wayne and Cosmo were new to cuemaking, and would lean on Bill if they ran into troubles. Hopefully, Wayne can shed some light.

Fred <~~~ that's what I read.
 
wow... lot of great info in this thread.. its really great to learn about cue makers and where they went and so on..

kinda like our own little history lesson...
chris
 
ChrisOnline said:
wow... lot of great info in this thread.. its really great to learn about cue makers and where they went and so on..

kinda like our own little history lesson...
chris
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Here's what Wayne Anderson had to say:

"Billy designed and made ALL of the patterns for It's George cues for the whole time he was with Mike Roberts.. He was always in on the veneer colors, wrap colors, in general any aesthetic choices and also shaft tapers and general construction techniques we used. When we first started he was much more hands on and as we picked up skills he was able to work more on his own cues. He was always around to observe and keep us on the right track. As to building the first 10 or so cues for It' s George for a trade show, it would stand to reason that he did at least some of the work. "

Hope that helps,

Fred
 
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