So you give up the nutz and win...then what?

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So I give up the called 7 and 8 in 9 ball to a person who is one ranking under me. A game they should be able to win and don't. They lose badly. Not my fault I have a higher gear, isn't that the point of giving a spot?

I'd like to keep on playing him, but won't give up much more. Maybe all the breaks with the 7 and 8 called or spot games and play like 7 to 5, he could get the breaks too...he doesn't run out enough for it to matter much.

Any suggestions?
 
Lemme get this straight...

You beat him badly giving up a spot.
He wants a bigger spot and you won't give up more weight.

Sounds like you want easy money. Find better action.
 
My short time in doing similar things makes me think it's a mistake unless you're just playing them for fun/practice(very cheap). You'll either have to keep playing that high gear to win (and that's not a game to gamble on) or they'll be getting the nuts for a long, long time. I give up bigger spots to my friends for real cheap just to work harder, but it's not easy and I certainly wouldn't want to be doing it for a real sum.
 
DAVE_M said:
Lemme get this straight...

You beat him badly giving up a spot.
He wants a bigger spot and you won't give up more weight.

Sounds like you want easy money. Find better action.
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I'm not robbing him, we both know it was plenty for him if he played well. Problem is 9 ball is a one at a time game and my top speed put him to bed early.
 
push yourself to the limit, of course just win/lose money not much for you

I used to give some guys slightly below my level 5 racks race to 15 (2/7, 3/9 or so), and guys supposedly on par with me, I gave them 1-2 racks, depending on race length, or the 8 in 9 ball; and play even with some slightly better players. I lost some won some but after some time, I rarely lost long race.

btw, I am not a very good player, my mentor is a top Vietnamese player and he gives me the 7 and 8 in 9ball and 10ball respectively. It's just I always want to test my limit, and we played cheap, just to enjoy some action, not gambling.

my best game was 2months ago before I switched to my current player, and I am still practicing with it, while work and life have distanced me from pool recently.
 
Banks said:
My short time in doing similar things makes me think it's a mistake unless you're just playing them for fun/practice(very cheap). You'll either have to keep playing that high gear to win (and that's not a game to gamble on) or they'll be getting the nuts for a long, long time. I give up bigger spots to my friends for real cheap just to work harder, but it's not easy and I certainly wouldn't want to be doing it for a real sum.
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Exactly. Once you give up the last 3 balls or more it is just you playing yourself anyway.
I like to give game spots really, less to sweat. People just love the wild or called balls. If they only knew it's the games that matter, called spotted balls only leads to wild combos that turn the table over.
I can give all the breaks to A level and down too. If they run a couple and miss it only helps me anyway. If I guy doesn't break and run out at least 1 of 6 games, it just doesn't matter.
 
takeitdown said:
So I give up the called 7 and 8 in 9 ball to a person who is one ranking under me. A game they should be able to win and don't. They lose badly. Not my fault I have a higher gear, isn't that the point of giving a spot?

I'd like to keep on playing him, but won't give up much more. Maybe all the breaks with the 7 and 8 called or spot games and play like 7 to 5, he could get the breaks too...he doesn't run out enough for it to matter much.

Any suggestions?
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Based on the background info, one set doesn't determine if that game is right. He needs to be somewhat reasonable in his thought process.
 
PhilosopherKing said:
Based on the background info, one set doesn't determine if that game is right. He needs to be somewhat reasonable in his thought process.
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I agree.

When you tell people who lose that it's only one night or set they lost and it isn't a fair measure of the handicap, they tend to only think about the money lost. I figure they are adults and if you like the matchup play, if you don't then don't.

I'm always willing to give up more than I should just to stay in action. Just the way it is lately. I offer some guys the 6 out and the breaks and they won't play...that's just ridiculous to me.

It's getting to the point that if I am playing like I can, King Kong isn't gonna beat me! Well at least players around town. So I'm looking to bet it up, which is what the game is all about for me.
 
takeitdown said:
So I give up the called 7 and 8 in 9 ball to a person who is one ranking under me. A game they should be able to win and don't. They lose badly. Not my fault I have a higher gear, isn't that the point of giving a spot?

I'd like to keep on playing him, but won't give up much more. Maybe all the breaks with the 7 and 8 called or spot games and play like 7 to 5, he could get the breaks too...he doesn't run out enough for it to matter much.

Any suggestions?
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You never said the guy asked for more weight so why would you consider giving it?

ONB
 
Old Nine Baller said:
You never said the guy asked for more weight so why would you consider giving it?

ONB
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takeitdown said:
Because I'm a nice guy. I always give them another shot at their money :rolleyes:.
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The last time I gave up the Wild 7 & 8 and the Break to a guy for $20 per game he won 16 games before the poolroom closed at 2 a.m.. We came back the next day, not due to an appointment but just because that's where we played everyday. When he came in I told him to rack 'em up. He wanted to know how we were going to play. I told him he still had the Wild 7 & 8 and the Break for $20 per game but he could bet higher if he wanted.

We never played again. It wasn't in his blood to win, only to lose.

ONB
 
Old Nine Baller said:
You never said the guy asked for more weight so why would you consider giving it?

ONB
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takeitdown said:
Because I'm a nice guy. I always give them another shot at their money :rolleyes:.
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Old Nine Baller said:
The last time I gave up the Wild 7 & 8 and the Break to a guy for $20 per game he won 16 games before the poolroom closed at 2 a.m.. We came back the next day, not due to an appointment but just because that's where we played everyday. When he came in I told him to rack 'em up. He wanted to know how we were going to play. I told him he still had the Wild 7 & 8 and the Break for $20 per game but he could bet higher if he wanted.

We never played again. It wasn't in his blood to win, only to lose.

ONB
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Just in case someone doesn't understand why the guy who beat me 16 games wouldn't play again the next day at the same game, I'll explain it for you.

I was one of the few guys he ever beat. He was a sucker but I gave him a fair game and he won that day.

The next day he probably expected me to weasel around and cry that we had to "adjust". When I told him that he had the same game he beat me at it scared him. Why would anybody offer the same game that he lost 16 games at the day before?

That day I was the sucker but I learned a little.

ONB
 
Old Nine Baller said:
Just in case someone doesn't understand why the guy who beat me 16 games wouldn't play again the next day at the same game, I'll explain it for you.

I was one of the few guys he ever beat. He was a sucker but I gave him a fair game and he won that day.

The next day he probably expected me to weasel around and cry that we had to "adjust". When I told him that he had the same game he beat me at it scared him. Why would anybody offer the same game that he lost 16 games at the day before?

That day I was the sucker but I learned a little.

ONB
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For some reason this reminds me of a night some years ago , I was playing a friend who was easily 2 balls under me in skill giving up the 8 and the breaks for cheap action5 dollars a game , I couldn't put a 3 ball run together , ended up losing 100 , which happened to be the most my friend had ever won at that time. I was just playing horribly

So in disgust I packed up my cue and went to another pool hall , A guy that was sweating my 100 dollar loss earlier walks in to the hall I am at now and after some time offers me the 7 and the breaks for 50 a game. I was nervous because I was playing like hell and this guy was a pretty strong player

So we matched up and I caught a gear , I ended up beating him for 250 with the spot and another 200 when we adjusted to playing even,

So he quits mad saying it was all a hustle to sucker him in , I never could convince him the 100 dollar loss earlier that night at Corner pocket was legit lol

Even though he was looking to sucker me in thinking I was soft action that night and he thought he would be stealing .
 
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I'd tell him:

"Look, I played at my best. You didn't." (or, to be nicer, "You played a little less than your best.")

"You can beat me with this spot. But you've got to play your best."

It's a polite and honest challenge.
 
takeitdown said:
So I give up the called 7 and 8 in 9 ball to a person who is one ranking under me. A game they should be able to win and don't. They lose badly. Not my fault I have a higher gear, isn't that the point of giving a spot?

I'd like to keep on playing him, but won't give up much more. Maybe all the breaks with the 7 and 8 called or spot games and play like 7 to 5, he could get the breaks too...he doesn't run out enough for it to matter much.

Any suggestions?
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It's not supposed to be a break even proposition. It's supposed to be gambling. That said if you beat him badly then give up more and see if you can continue to beat him badly.

As Buddy Hall said, "if you can't quit winner, when are you supposed to quit". Thing about adjusting after one set is it often affects both people, the guy giving weight feels less confident and the guy getting it feels more confident. That can play a big part in the outcome.

I feel like people should almost always play at least two sets the same way before adjusting. But sometimes I have been on the receiving end of a beatdown and wanted to adjust after one set. A few times I pulled the Tom Cruise move of saying "hey Grady, up yer ass with the spot ok?" and winning the next set because I felt the spot was increasing my expectation that I needed weight.

I say there isn't any hard rule here. You go by what your gut tells you and you could be playing it smart, could be being nitty, or you could be challenging yourself by giving up the triple nuts and trying to outrun them.
 
well, you set your limit, if he wont take it walk away. really walk away, go to another table. he'll be there in ten minutes, and if not, he'll play you next time.
 
takeitdown said:
I agree.

When you tell people who lose that it's only one night or set they lost and it isn't a fair measure of the handicap, they tend to only think about the money lost. I figure they are adults and if you like the matchup play, if you don't then don't.

I'm always willing to give up more than I should just to stay in action. Just the way it is lately. I offer some guys the 6 out and the breaks and they won't play...that's just ridiculous to me.

It's getting to the point that if I am playing like I can, King Kong isn't gonna beat me! Well at least players around town. So I'm looking to bet it up, which is what the game is all about for me.
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I will try you some with the six out and the breaks. You have been dogging me a little so I figure you have me clocked pretty good. I figure based on your posts you must be close to pro speed. I will try you two sets race to 15 for $500 a set if that's ok action for you.

Just PM me the details so we can arrange to match up if I am driving anywhere near your town.

Also, giving up the breaks to me is like me giving you weight. :-)
 
JB Cases said:
I will try you some with the six out and the breaks. You have been dogging me a little so I figure you have me clocked pretty good. I figure based on your posts you must be close to pro speed. I will try you two sets race to 15 for $500 a set if that's ok action for you.

Just PM me the details so we can arrange to match up if I am driving anywhere near your town.

Also, giving up the breaks to me is like me giving you weight. :-)
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Yeah maybe at SBE 2015 or Derby if you go there IDK. I'd try the called 7 and 8 with you.

I'm not pro, just an 45 year old guy flirting with shortstop level. If I played 20 hours a week I could move up a level or two. If I got better and beat a few names what would it get me? I see guys move up to legitimate shortstop get no action and are barred from regional events. Sucks for them really because they can't win top pro events either.

John, I dog you a little...sorry. You got heart and bankroll, so all you need is game and you got all 3. To me heart is the rarest of the 3. It's either in you or it isn't from what I have seen.
 
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