Southwest Cues

[acousticsguru]

You are correct in the method of assembly.

What would you call the construction technique on a half spliced forearm? I would call it a splice. Of course the cues are not full splice. That doesnt mean that they have no splices involved in the technique. In most circles cues referred to as unspliced mean the points are flat bottomed or inlaid. This is not the case with SW cues.

I am guessing this is just one of those internet miscommunications over terminology.

I'm not sure if terminology is consistent in this respect, but you're right, it's definitely spliced and not milled, which I like (from a construction point of view, but also because I believe it feels better, although this may be hard to quantify and/or prove).

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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[acousticsguru]

Cues are like watches in a lot of ways. A good quartz watch say a Seiko will keep great time and provide years and years of service with little maintenance. So will a Rolex. They both keep time they both go on your arm. Is the Rolex overrated? Some people think so.. Many others do not and they own Rolex watches.

I'm Swiss and probably shouldn't say this, but to my mind Rolex is overrated because it is more about exterior than interior (even if they buy high-quality/industry standard mechanisms, it's not as if those were custom-made à la Jaeger-LeCoultre etc., let alone the best money can buy). From that perspective, a Rolex is the contrary of a Southwest (all about workmanship rather than appearance).

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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[AtLarge]

I'm Swiss and probably shouldn't say this, but to my mind Rolex is overrated because it is more about exterior than interior (even if they buy high-quality/industry standard mechanisms, it's not as if those were custom-made à la Jaeger-LeCoultre etc., let alone the best money can buy). From that perspective, a Rolex is the contrary of a Southwest (all about workmanship rather than appearance). ,,,

Stated in writing on the official Rolex website: "The height of precision, the self-winding Oyster movement is entirely engineered and manufactured by Rolex."

Stated by voice on a video on the official Rolex website: "At the heart of every timepiece we make is the Rolex movement. One hundred percent conceived by Rolex's research and development team, every Rolex movement undergoes an exacting production process ..."

 

[KRJ]

Hmmm

I'm Swiss and probably shouldn't say this, but to my mind Rolex is overrated because it is more about exterior than interior (even if they buy high-quality/industry standard mechanisms, it's not as if those were custom-made à la Jaeger-LeCoultre etc., let alone the best money can buy). From that perspective, a Rolex is the contrary of a Southwest (all about workmanship rather than appearance).

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

Dude, sorry, but your are completely clueless about Rolex. And your home country even which makes it just a little sadder. Yikes !!

 

[acousticsguru]

Dude, sorry, but your are completely clueless about Rolex. And your home country even which makes it just a little sadder. Yikes !!

Dear me! Did your clock-seller tell you Rolex makes their own watch mechanisms, and you fell for the promo talk? I happen to know two professional clock mechanics (one of whom plays a little pool and Snooker), as well as two avid watches collectors (again, a pool and a Snooker player respectively - all about precision, it seems), who lecture everyone on the subject of watches 24/7. One may or may not like Rolex's watchcases, but if one collects the real thing, best to turn elsewhere (always Swiss watches, of course!). Note this is not the exception but the rule these days, by the way: virtually no brand manufactures mechanics in-house anymore. As to the accuracy of clocks, from what I'm told, the outsourcing may in fact be for the better. But to diehard collectors, they'll buy antique or turn elsewhere, as it's to them a matter of principle. Whether or not a brand holds shares of their outsourcer etc., well, one might say as long as it's still a Swiss watch through and through, no reason to complain - but then, others (= collectors) will insist it's a straining of terminology and thus perception.

Now, if this is (personally) important to you, here's an offer: I'll inquire and find out if Rolex still has a line or makes specific models that truly fall within the definition of "in-house" manufactured.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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[acousticsguru]

Dude, sorry, but your are completely clueless about Rolex. And your home country even which makes it just a little sadder. Yikes !!

Admittedly, we Swiss may be a little set in our views. We do not appreciate it if a brand has their shoes manufacture outsourced to Korea, then after importing, putting shoe laces in and packaging them, refers to them as "Swiss Made", even though we all know this is the way of the modern world, and should be proud someone succeeds seeing said shoes being sold for hundreds of dollars in shops in e.g. Manhattan. The truth is there are products entirely made e.g. in-house, or in this country, or from Swiss beef (referring to e.g. Bündnerfleisch) etc., but if there's no evidence of misleading, how can a customer tell?

For example, I don't have the slightest problem with a cue maker who makes a "titlist conversion" and sells it as such. Nor would I ever claim a product is no good only because I feel I'm being mislead as to declaration or terminology, it's just that I'd prefer things to be called what they are.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti

 

[Matt_24]

Admittedly, we Swiss may be a little set in our views. We do not appreciate it if a brand has their shoes manufacture outsourced to Korea, then after importing, putting shoe laces in and packaging them, refers to them as "Swiss Made", even though we all know this is the way of the modern world, and should be proud someone succeeds seeing said shoes being sold for hundreds of dollars in shops in e.g. Manhattan. The truth is there are products entirely made e.g. in-house, or in this country, or from Swiss beef (referring to e.g. Bündnerfleisch) etc., but if there's no evidence of misleading, how can a customer tell?

For example, I don't have the slightest problem with a cue maker who makes a "titlist conversion" and sells it as such. Nor would I ever claim a product is no good only because I feel I'm being mislead as to declaration or terminology, it's just that I'd prefer things to be called what they are.

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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David,

Just because you're from Switzerland, it doesn't mean you know much about watches or cheese.

Yes, there are many other brands that are more expensive than Rolex, and maybe have superior movements to a Rolex. Audemars Piguet, Patek Phillipe, etc, etc, etc...But if you want a watch that while expensive, is attainable by a middle class person, and will hold it's value and generally rise over time is a Rolex. The same can be said of a Southwest cue. They are expensive, but not out of reach to the common man (like myself!).


Rolex watches have been the best marketed watch over the last, I don't know how many years. Their designs have been ripped off by tons of watch companies. (Hmm..does that remind you of Southwest). The Rolex Submariner and Datejust models are the most copied watches out there, period. Same can probably be said of a Southwest cue.


Ummm...Southwest came out with a fairly simple design that has stood the test of time. I'm not sure what you meant when you said they don't care about their exterior. I think they look fantastic. Of course, they mix and match ringwork and woods - but a Southwest is a Southwest. Same goes for Rolex designs. You can generally spot a Rolex...due to the simplicity of their style. The dials aren't too busy. The designs look great. The bracelets they use are awesome, and copied relentlessly (the oyster, the presidential or the jubilee).

Rolex manufactures their own movements. Rolex watches have "Superlative Chronometer Officially Certified" on their dial. This means that the movement (made by Rolex) of the watch has endured 15 days and nights of testing by the Controle Officiel Suisse des Chronometres. To receive COSC certification, the watch must demonstrate extremem precision in a variety of positions and temperatures.

As you can tell I love watches, particularly swiss watches, like others love cues. But don't get too high on your swiss high horse when it comes to watches. SEIKO has made the most technologically complex automatic movement out there. Far superior to anything the Swiss have done. Will these watches ever sell for ridiculous amounts of money (they are expensive but not "swiss" expensive), or be as sought after as say a nice Patek? Absolutely not...but that does not discount the advances that company has made in watchmaking.

Maybe some of this rambling has convinced you that you can solidly compare a Rolexhwatcg to a Southwest cue. As you were.

 

[acousticsguru]

David,

Just because you're from Switzerland, it doesn't mean you know much about watches or cheese.

Yes, there are many other brands that are more expensive than Rolex, and maybe have superior movements to a Rolex. Audemars Piguet, Patek Phillipe, etc, etc, etc...But if you want a watch that while expensive, is attainable by a middle class person, and will hold it's value and generally rise over time is a Rolex. The same can be said of a Southwest cue. They are expensive, but not out of reach to the common man (like myself!).


Rolex watches have been the best marketed watch over the last, I don't know how many years. Their designs have been ripped off by tons of watch companies. (Hmm..does that remind you of Southwest). The Rolex Submariner and Datejust models are the most copied watches out there, period. Same can probably be said of a Southwest cue.


Ummm...Southwest came out with a fairly simple design that has stood the test of time. I'm not sure what you meant when you said they don't care about their exterior. I think they look fantastic. Of course, they mix and match ringwork and woods - but a Southwest is a Southwest. Same goes for Rolex designs. You can generally spot a Rolex...due to the simplicity of their style. The dials aren't too busy. The designs look great. The bracelets they use are awesome, and copied relentlessly (the oyster, the presidential or the jubilee).

Rolex manufactures their own movements. Rolex watches have "Superlative Chronometer Officially Certified" on their dial. This means that the movement (made by Rolex) of the watch has endured 15 days and nights of testing by the Controle Officiel Suisse des Chronometres. To receive COSC certification, the watch must demonstrate extremem precision in a variety of positions and temperatures.

As you can tell I love watches, particularly swiss watches, like others love cues. But don't get too high on your swiss high horse when it comes to watches. SEIKO has made the most technologically complex automatic movement out there. Far superior to anything the Swiss have done. Will these watches ever sell for ridiculous amounts of money (they are expensive but not "swiss" expensive), or be as sought after as say a nice Patek? Absolutely not...but that does not discount the advances that company has made in watchmaking.

Maybe some of this rambling has convinced you that you can solidly compare a Rolexhwatcg to a Southwest cue. As you were.

No disagreement at all: if you read what I wrote you'll notice I have nothing against Rolex, nor against the quality of their mechanisms / the mechanisms they use even if as you say there are superior movements out there, much less have I doubted the success of their marketing! What I have said, I'll not repeat, because if you cared to know, you might as well go back and read what I wrote. Sorry, but we're a very exacting, no-nonsense people, and I would not like to be accused to be Swiss for the wrong reasons.

Nor do I remember saying Southwest "doesn't care" about the exteriors of their cues. I met Jerry and Laurie, have bought and recommended their products to others, and take offense at this insinuation. Again, go back, read what I wrote, and you'll find that I (me personally, that's all) don't particularly care for the look of most of their designs, but couldn't care less because the exterior to me is not what counts. But see, you're making me repeat what I've said, and that makes me lose interest in this discussion…

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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