Standings question, could someone please clarify?

[PoolBum]

I'm sure that this has been answered in all the posts about how the GLI and scoring works, but here's my question. Bustamante is now 3-1 and has beaten Reyes and Manalo. Suppose Bustamante goes on to defeat Mika and ends up 4-1. The winner of the Reyes-Manalo match will also be 4-1. I'm assuming then that Francisco would face Sigel in the finals, having beaten both Manalo and Reyes, but could someone in the know just verify/clarify this for me?

 

[kep2]

Bustamante / Manalo:
Losses from all 4 rounds will be used in computing their GLIs

Reyes ( if he wins against Manalo ):
Losses from 2 rounds will be used in computing his GLI

 

[mworkman]

Tie breaker

I'm surprised a little by this. In case of a two way tie you would think it would go by head-to-head. A 3-4 way tie I could see the GLI.

 

[lewdo26]

Who's GLI is better at the moment? They don't have them on the scorecard at the IPT website. Has anyone calculated it?

 

[lewdo26]

If Bustamante wins vs. Mika, it will be ridiculous for him not to go on and face Mike! I think that should be the very first criteria. Geez, Bustamante *has already faced them and won*!

I hope that things don't turn out that way. It'd be a shame. But then again, as it's been discussed in the other thread, this GLI notion seems suspect anyways.

I'm hoping either Busta wins and has the better GLI or that he loses to Mika; in which case the winner of Manalo-Reyes will go to the final.

 

[PoolBum]

I agree that it would be unfair if Bustamante did not play in the finals if he goes 4-1. I thought the usual tiebreaker for round-robin competitions was head-to-head results, and it seems to me to be the fairest criterion as well, especially if we are talking about a two-way tie at the top.

 

[TorranceChris]

Who's GLI is better at the moment? They don't have them on the scorecard at the IPT website. Has anyone calculated it?

Bustamante must be rooting for Reyes !!
I have done the GLI both ways ... Reyes and Manalo.
If Manalo win, both Bustamane and Manalo have had 71 losses exactly over the 4 rounds to date excluding the final match in this current round by my reckoning to date. So how strongly they win their remaining match determines who goes on !!

If Reyes win then Bustamante goes on assuming he wins out since he has the edge of 29 losses to Reye's 39 losses over the last 2 rounds which gap can't be closed in one match. If Manalo win then losses in the very last match straight up determine who goes on.

Wow, this is exciting

 

[jsp]

Bustamante must be rooting for Reyes !!
I have done the GLI both ways ... Reyes and Manalo.
If Manalo win, both Bustamane and Manalo have had 71 losses exactly

Actually, i think you miscounted Manalo's losses. I count that he has 81 losses. So I did the math, and here's the dealio...

These are the current GLIs...
Busta = 3.94 (71 losses in 18 matches)
Marlon = 4.50 (81 losses in 18 matches)
Efren = 4.33 (39 losses in 9 matches)

So...if Busta wins his match and Marlon wins over Efren, then Busta is guaranteed to advance to the finals because he'll have a lower GLI than Marlon even if he wins 8-7 and Marlon wins 8-0.

If Busta wins his match and Efren wins over Marlon, then the GLIs really come into play. From my math, if Efren loses more than 2 racks, then Busta is guaranteed to go to the finals even if Busta wins 8-7. If Busta loses only 3 racks or less in his win, then he is guaranteed to advance even if Efren shutouts Manalo.

If Django loses, then the winner of the Marlon and Efren match advances.

The only way for Marlon to advance to the finals is if he wins against Efren AND Busta loses to Mika.

WOW...this is close. Someone please check my math.

 

[jsp]

Things are looking good for Bustamante. As long as he wins his match over Mika, he should advance. I don't see Manalo only winning 2 racks against Efren.

Whatever happens, i'm pretty happy. I think a very deserving player will meet Sigel in the finals.

 

[TheOne]

Actually, i think you miscounted Manalo's losses. I count that he has 81 losses. So I did the math, and here's the dealio...

These are the current GLIs...
Busta = 3.94 (71 losses in 18 matches)
Marlon = 4.50 (81 losses in 18 matches)
Efren = 4.33 (39 losses in 9 matches)

So...if Busta wins his match and Marlon wins over Efren, then Busta is guaranteed to advance to the finals because he'll have a lower GLI than Marlon even if he wins 8-7 and Marlon wins 8-0.

If Busta wins his match and Efren wins over Marlon, then the GLIs really come into play. From my math, if Efren loses more than 2 racks, then Busta is guaranteed to go to the finals even if Busta wins 8-7. If Busta loses only 3 racks or less in his win, then he is guaranteed to advance even if Efren shutouts Manalo.

If Django loses, then the winner of the Marlon and Efren match advances.

The only way for Marlon to advance to the finals is if he wins against Efren AND Busta loses to Mika.

WOW...this is close. Someone please check my math.

Crazy stuff, I take it they will be all playing at the same time. Prob be watching each others scores, might even do a bit of time wasting if there's a crucial tricky run out and they are wating on another frame to finish that might make the difference lol! Poor Marlon, he doesn't look fav if your maths is correct which does seem to suck a little given his performance (not bad for a converted snooker player )

My question is, what is Mika playing for cash wise. I'm not suggesting anything but is the system as present open for abuse? My experience with round robins is that it usually goes on head to head if its a two way tie and then frames etc if its a 3 way.

But finally, what a huge success this tournament seems to have been. Sadly I've just got back from a couple of days in London and missed much of the coverage but you only have to look at the pics and the number of posts that have been generated to see what a success it has been!

Deno, PLEASE PLEASE get the qualifying system right for all those that where unlucky enough not to be selected the first time!

PS
I was beginning to worry abour Efren's recent results (last 6 months or so) but it seems he's back! If he wins this I will be delighted for him

 

[TorranceChris]

Actually, i think you miscounted Manalo's losses. I count that he has 81 losses. So I did the math, and here's the dealio...

These are the current GLIs...
Busta = 3.94 (71 losses in 18 matches)
Marlon = 4.50 (81 losses in 18 matches)
Efren = 4.33 (39 losses in 9 matches)

So...if Busta wins his match and Marlon wins over Efren, then Busta is guaranteed to advance to the finals because he'll have a lower GLI than Marlon even if he wins 8-7 and Marlon wins 8-0.

If Busta wins his match and Efren wins over Marlon, then the GLIs really come into play. From my math, if Efren loses more than 2 racks, then Busta is guaranteed to go to the finals even if Busta wins 8-7. If Busta loses only 3 racks or less in his win, then he is guaranteed to advance even if Efren shutouts Manalo.

If Django loses, then the winner of the Marlon and Efren match advances.

The only way for Marlon to advance to the finals is if he wins against Efren AND Busta loses to Mika.

WOW...this is close. Someone please check my math.

Thanks for correcting my math. Only question is are they taking Busta's GLI over 4 rounds or just the 2 like they are taking Reye's 2 ? If 2 then Busta will advance regardless if he wins since he lost 29 to Reye's 39 [and by your math, Manalo loses by GLI]. If 4 then your math is right, and it goes down to GLI as per your reckoning.

We will find out soon enough anyhow !! Yeah, it's exciting

 

[sjm]

I agree that it would be unfair if Bustamante did not play in the finals if he goes 4-1. I thought the usual tiebreaker for round-robin competitions was head-to-head results, and it seems to me to be the fairest criterion as well, especially if we are talking about a two-way tie at the top.

Actually, there is only one other major event on the pool calendar using round robin, and that's the WPC. At the WPC, head to head is not the tiebreaker in the round robin stage. The tiebreaker is total racks won.

 

[bandido]

Thanks for correcting my math. Only question is are they taking Busta's GLI over 4 rounds or just the 2 like they are taking Reye's 2 ? If 2 then Busta will advance regardless if he wins since he lost 29 to Reye's 39 [and by your math, Manalo loses by GLI]. If 4 then your math is right, and it goes down to GLI as per your reckoning.

We will find out soon enough anyhow !! Yeah, it's exciting

If Django and Efren win then Django will most likely advance by virtue of GLI.

It is to my understanding though, correct me if I'm wrong, that MATCHES WON is considered before GLI. If this is so then Marlon advances if he beats Efren even if Django beats Mika.

Django lost to Nick VB in the 2nd rd. = 6-8 then lost today to Archer 4-8
OTOH Marlon only lost to him today 5-8.

 

[jsp]

It is to my understanding though, correct me if I'm wrong, that MATCHES WON is considered before GLI. If this is so then Marlon advances if he beats Efren even if Django beats Mika.

Not to my understanding. I think they only look at the matches won for that particular round...and if they have a tie, the first tie-breaker is the GLI. But I could be wrong.