Shawn Putnam said:
Shawn... Cory wasn't born in OH.. he from the east coast.... of so I was told.
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STATE vs. STATE , lets get it on.
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Shawn... Cory wasn't born in OH.. he from the east coast.... of so I was told.
All of his wins and knowledge has been since he was adopted by Dee Adkins and his family.Tom In Cincy said:
Anyway I was born in New Castle , Pa. but I grew up playing and living in Ohio my whole pool career.
Just like Earl is NC.
Rodney=Hawaii
Whatever State your name has been linked to your whole pool career!!!!!
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Shawn Putnam said:
A GREAT IDEA
cuesmith said:
Such is the sad state of pool. A player good enough to compete with world champions and he cant play tourneys cause he is too busy workin at K-Mart.
Not that there is anything wrong with working at K-Mart, dont take this post the wrong way. Just that I wish there were more opportunities for the great players. Hopefully that is changing.
What happens to the pro in your State that can't play because an amature has his spot he worked his whole life for.woody_968 said:
Shawn Putnam said:
Maybe I wasnt clear. I meant have a pro division and an amature division. Two seperate teams. One wouldnt be taking a spot from the other. They would just hold both divisions during the same timeframe to help draw fans for both divisions
I agree with you but lets get this off the ground first and then bring the amatures in if it works.woody_968 said:
This is going to be a lot of hard work to start.
Start with David Rowellsmackmac said:
Shawn Putnam said:
There are several problems with having amateurs compete. For starters, no amateur can commit to traveling every month. On top of that, you have to define what an amateur is.
I'd stick with the professionals simply because it's well-defined and you can gain a commitment from the participants. As for who should play and who shouldn't, that's a difficult question. In New York City, I'm not sure if our best players were born here even though they've spent most of their lives here. I think if someone has been living in that state for a certain number of years, they should be considered eligible. In my opinion, 5 years is a good place to start.
I agree as long as they were born in the USA.Jude Rosenstock said:
Other countrys have there own stuff that we can't get in .
It's time for us to follow suite.
Shawn Putnam said:
Well, I believe this country prides itself on its immigration policy. We are a country of immigrants. What other countries do is their prerogrative and says a lot about their ideology. I think, instead of following another country's mistake, we should lead by example. What do we do about the many hispanics that have called this country home? What do we do about players who have forfeited the citizenship of their birthplace so that they can call themselves Americans? I understand that you feel a player should have some sort of affiliation with their home state but let us not forget what this country is all about.
So your saying its alright for other countries to bar us from there tourneys but we should let them in ours with open arms ?Jude Rosenstock said:
Shawn Putnam said:
I'm not saying it's alright. I'm simply saying that two wrongs don't make a right. On top of that, our demographics are much different than many of these other countries. It's one thing for Finland to have an exclusive national championship when the overwhelming majority of the people who live there were born there. It's quite another thing to have it in America when you consider the number of people who are foreign-born.
You're comparing apples and oranges. This is America. You'd be hard-pressed to find ANYONE on this board who cannot trace their ancestry to an immigrant. As the great-grandson of a man who crossed Europe in a hay-cart to find a better life, I will NEVER condone exclusion of foreign-born persons from anything other than the Presidency (and even then, I must raise an eye-brow).
If someone lives here, pays taxes here, has sworn their allegence to our beloved flag, they should have a right to conduct themselves as any other American, especially when it comes to something like pool. Do you realize that there are foreign-born persons fighting in Iraq, as we speak, under the American Flag? I think you can set standards that would still maintain the integrity you wish to obtain yet still be inclusive enough that people don't argue. Do you realize, the standards you suggest are even greater than that for the US Senate? I suggest proof of legal residency of no less than five years in the state you wish to represent for eligibility.
In some countries sports are organized differently than USA. In those counties they fist have county(it`s eqivalent in those countries) championships.Players for team sports,Athletes for track events will be selected to represent the counties in the state championships.Then the players and Athletes selected to represent the State in the National Championships.From the National championships players and Athletes will be selected to represent the country in the International events.
If one is not in the initial process one cannot compete in their National Championships directly even one is born in that country,let alone allowing a foreigner.
In USA we do not have such kind of set up.In USA we have National Collegiate but these exclude the people who are not in a college.In those other countries they do have things similar to National Collegiate(some call them as Interuniversity), but they also have championships to include every person living in that country.
If one is not in the initial process one cannot compete in their National Championships directly even one is born in that country,let alone allowing a foreigner.
In USA we do not have such kind of set up.In USA we have National Collegiate but these exclude the people who are not in a college.In those other countries they do have things similar to National Collegiate(some call them as Interuniversity), but they also have championships to include every person living in that country.
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I don't think you could fill a field of legitimate pros from every state. So just get who you can and let the chips fall. It should be 9 ball as it is played heavily everywhere. I think Georgia could field a pretty strong team with Archer as captain with Tommy Kennedy and their choice of the other three on the team. I love the idea. Instead of it being round robin let it be regional at first and the top 4 or 8 teams then meet and finish it all in one week in their own team mini tournament. This way you would have regional champions and then a national champion team.
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Outside the box ...
I don't think pros would compete unless there is MONEY
in it for them, that's how they make their living don't forget.
Amateurs would volunteer to play more often than pros, IMO,
and easier to find in each state. (We don't have 5 pros in
Kansas, and many many states don't - Gabe is living in Tulsa now).
Jude ... Foreigners as long as they have a green card, right?
Do you realize how many illegal Mexicans there are in the
Midwest, and other areas? I don't hold the Immigration agency
in such high esteem as you do.
I still think a Mosconi cup type competition between states on a
semi-pro level would be the most practical and easier to do, and
cost a lot less. We could get glimpses of upcoming players and
maybe the old boys that have always been pretty good, but worked
for a living.
I don't think pros would compete unless there is MONEY
in it for them, that's how they make their living don't forget.
Amateurs would volunteer to play more often than pros, IMO,
and easier to find in each state. (We don't have 5 pros in
Kansas, and many many states don't - Gabe is living in Tulsa now).
Jude ... Foreigners as long as they have a green card, right?
Do you realize how many illegal Mexicans there are in the
Midwest, and other areas? I don't hold the Immigration agency
in such high esteem as you do.
I still think a Mosconi cup type competition between states on a
semi-pro level would be the most practical and easier to do, and
cost a lot less. We could get glimpses of upcoming players and
maybe the old boys that have always been pretty good, but worked
for a living.
Shawn Putnam's idea!!!! good one but your second best!!
Shawn,
I think it's a great idea waiting to happen!! Hear's some good competetive food for thought.. YOUR PLAYING FOR 2ND.. Indiana will come out of retirement if you create that format... Sincerely, Beckley
Shawn Putnam said:
Shawn,
I think it's a great idea waiting to happen!! Hear's some good competetive food for thought.. YOUR PLAYING FOR 2ND.. Indiana will come out of retirement if you create that format... Sincerely, Beckley
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