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What do you think would give the most amount feel or feedback to an experienced player? I am playing with a Schon right now, and the shaft is a high grade maple shaft made by my cue maker. The to main joint types I'm thinking about is a Schon type joint, or a flat faced radial.

Feedback is extremely important to me. I've also tried ivory ferrules and ivory joints, and to me, I just think that stuff is not performance based. Don't get me wrong when I demand performance, cause I don't like laminated shafts at all. They do perform, but don't have the feel I desire in a cue.

I also understand that there is way more to it than just the joint type, but ya gotta start somewhere right? This is my first custom cue.

Any suggestions? Help please.
 
deadgearplyr said:
What do you think would give the most amount feel or feedback to an experienced player? I am playing with a Schon right now, and the shaft is a high grade maple shaft made by my cue maker. The to main joint types I'm thinking about is a Schon type joint, or a flat faced radial.

Feedback is extremely important to me. I've also tried ivory ferrules and ivory joints, and to me, I just think that stuff is not performance based. Don't get me wrong when I demand performance, cause I don't like laminated shafts at all. They do perform, but don't have the feel I desire in a cue.

I also understand that there is way more to it than just the joint type, but ya gotta start somewhere right? This is my first custom cue.

Any suggestions? Help please.


O Boy....sounds like me, once upon a time...LoL. I can tell you this right now, the joint does not necessarily dictate how well the cue may play, or the amount of feedback you will receive.

I have been a die-hard flat-faced joint fan for quite a while now...until I ran into a couple of cues...different makers...with SS joints that were simply amazing players. In fact, one of those cues, placed next to a flat-faced jointed cue from the same maker, played almost identical to one another.

There is a lot to consider...but one of the first things is to try and find some cues from makers you may wish to work with, to try out...your local pool hall might be a great place to start. Often there are players there with multiple cues and may let you hit a few balls with one to see how it 'feels'. See if you have any makers close to you...see if you can arrange a visit to their shop, where they will likely have something you can 'get the feel for'. Most makers are more than willing to do what it takes to not only get your business, but ultimately make you happy. Word of mouth IS the best advertisement a cue maker has!

Once you decide on a maker...the next choice is going to be the woods used. This will make a difference in that some woods transmit the feedback from tip to butt better than some others might. Talk to your cue maker...they are there to help 'guide' you into a choice that you will be happy with. They will likely discuss pros and cons with you. Some woods are also more 'tempermental' than others...LoL.

In all reality, the joint type is the last thing on the list, IMHO. Also bear in mind that not all SS joints are created equal. Some may just be a SS sleeve, but allowing for a flat-faced config.

As you can see...it's not as cut and dry as it may have initially seemed...LoL. However, let me just say, that there really is nothing like waiting for that special cue to arrive...and the myriad of emotions involved....excitement, anxiety, patience, impatience, joy. :D

Lisa
 
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Thank you. I am working with JWPetree and he has made the same comment when it comes to 'achieving the same hit' with both flat faced and ss joint. I am really just thinking about telling him to do the whole thing and just surprise me, but, I don't want to get halfway through and ....

there is another cue maker that is going to make me something, and he is partial to the flat faced joint. I just want a solid player that is going to last me for the rest of my life and make me stop fiddling around with stuff I don't need.
 
deadgearplyr said:
Thank you. I am working with JWPetree and he has made the same comment when it comes to 'achieving the same hit' with both flat faced and ss joint. I am really just thinking about telling him to do the whole thing and just surprise me, but, I don't want to get halfway through and ....

there is another cue maker that is going to make me something, and he is partial to the flat faced joint. I just want a solid player that is going to last me for the rest of my life and make me stop fiddling around with stuff I don't need.


My suggestion is, with regards to joints, to let each maker do what they do best...they will have a kinda 'feel' as to what might be the best option for that particular cue....bear in mind that a particular playing style may help them in making the most informed decisions. Let them know what your 'style' is...what you know you like.

I know that Mr Petree is held in fine regard with many AZ members...I am sure he will take good care of you.

Lisa
 
Neither one will give you the most feel and feedback. Flat faced and Stainless will both give different feel and feedback. So you have to decide which one you prefer. My guess is after you rejected Ivory ferrules that you would actually prefer the flat faced phenolic joint once you adjusted to it, as you made a decision that took you away from the harder feel. And stainless has the harder feel between the two types of joints.
 
there was a thread about 2 weeks ago that touched on this. is i hand you 2 cues exactly the same you couldnt tell me with any consistency which was which. IMO there is more to a cues feedback then the joint. tight tolerances and construction is more important. if the cue is made right it will play good no matter what joint is used.

pick one and hope you strike lightning
 
thanks everyone

Thank you all for your informative opinions. It really helps confirm when I hear it from others in the same field of expertise. I know that what ever I get is going to be good, but this, to me, is like getting married. I am looking for whatever I get to be with me for better or for worse, in sickness and in health......:thumbup:
 
Flat Faced Radial excellent choice
 

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Neither one will give you the most feel and feedback. Flat faced and Stainless will both give different feel and feedback. So you have to decide which one you prefer. My guess is after you rejected Ivory ferrules that you would actually prefer the flat faced phenolic joint once you adjusted to it, as you made a decision that took you away from the harder feel. And stainless has the harder feel between the two types of joints.

I agree with Chris.

Some player once accustomed to SS find it hard to convert to a FF.
 
feel

My experiences lead me to believe that what type of joint you learned with will seem better when "feel or hit or feedback" is considered. I have experimented quite a lot with the phenolics (linen and canvas) and it seems like many of the higher quality players are split almost equally between steel, phenolic AND ivory. Not necessarily in that order. To each his/her own. You are welcome to visit my website and if there is something there you would like to discuss I would be happy to hear it. You can view available and previously sold cues to see the variety I have made.

http://www.triplecrosscues.com

Thanks in advance for a chance to try to help you.
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues:cool:
 
if you can play nothing else matters. players having trouble switching are the same players the blame the cue when they miss. its the indian not the arrow. the arrow helps but only so much

i have a friend joey that never misses. give him 314 OB1 tigerx or plain maple any joint and he doesnt miss. at some point in the day hes gonna hit you with a 5 pack atleast. and sooner then later.

shoot the ball in the hole and dont worry about how your cue goes together
 
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Joint material

deadgearplyr said:
What do you think would give the most amount feel or feedback to an experienced player? I am playing with a Schon right now, and the shaft is a high grade maple shaft made by my cue maker. The to main joint types I'm thinking about is a Schon type joint, or a flat faced radial.

Feedback is extremely important to me. I've also tried ivory ferrules and ivory joints, and to me, I just think that stuff is not performance based. Don't get me wrong when I demand performance, cause I don't like laminated shafts at all. They do perform, but don't have the feel I desire in a cue.

I also understand that there is way more to it than just the joint type, but ya gotta start somewhere right? This is my first custom cue.

Any suggestions? Help please.
I do not believe it makes any difference.
If I handed you 6 identical cues all with different joints you could not pick the steel or phenolic with any degree of consistently.
 
good idea

dave sutton said:
if you can play nothing else matters. players having trouble switching are the same players the blame the cue when they miss. its the indian not the arrow. the arrow helps but only so much

i have a friend joey that never misses. give him 314 OB1 tigerx or plain maple any joint and he doesnt miss. at some point in the day hes gonna hit you with a 5 pack atleast. and sooner then later.

shoot the ball in the hole and dont worry about how your cue goes together

Ya know, I agree altogether with that. I actually play well with a 314-2 but I hate the way it feels. I also have an S/P that is as plain as it gets and it hits like a dream. I just don't want to regret going in one direction or another. I just hit an Omen today, and it hits close to the steel joint I have now. I just have a lot to learn when it comes to ordering cues.

You're right though Dave, I should just play and let the cue maker worry about this. Thanks everyone, for input.
 
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