Story time...Am I in the right?

[jbullerjr]

So,

In August 2019 I decided to try a very pretty JD cue. $675

Great looking cue!
It hit pretty well, just couldn’t get used to the leather wrap, sold it for a small loss

The original seller had another JD wrapless this time for sell along with a very nice TS sneaky pete. I bought them both. $1650

The TS was perfect and as described. Pre sold and delivered within 24 hours

The JD was very good looking but only had one shaft.
In the process of trying to have another shaft made, it was discovered that the pin was offset and another shaft could not be easily produced. It was also discovered that the forearm or handle had significant movement. Around 8-10 thousands total measured at the pin.

I contacted the seller requesting a refund.
He refused.
He said I could either send it back to JD and wait for it to be repaired
Or
He would trade me out of the cue

I asked for a replacement cue.

I waited for sometime, on several occasions, I offered to pay the difference on some higher priced cues, seller refused.
I was offered some small cuemaker cues that I am unfamiliar with.
Finally in October I was offered a Pechaur cue and was sent 4 photos.
I agreed to the trade.

Once I received the “pechaur” cue, I noticed that there was no markings on the cue of any kind.
I do believe the cue is a Pechaur but it has been refinished by someone other than Pechaur and the signature was removed.
In my honest opinion, a refinished unmarked cue has been seriously depreciated.
I brought this to the sellers attention to which he replies, “I totally agree and forgot.”

I again request a full refund or a replacement.

The seller refuses to do anything further.

Should all be made aware of this persons actions?

 

[logical]

Probably not. Save that for less murky issues.

 

[OldManOfTheSea]

So,

In August 2019 I decided to try a very pretty JD cue. $675

Great looking cue!
It hit pretty well, just couldn’t get used to the leather wrap, sold it for a small loss

The original seller had another JD wrapless this time for sell along with a very nice TS sneaky pete. I bought them both. $1650

The TS was perfect and as described. Pre sold and delivered within 24 hours

The JD was very good looking but only had one shaft.
In the process of trying to have another shaft made, it was discovered that the pin was offset and another shaft could not be easily produced. It was also discovered that the forearm or handle had significant movement. Around 8-10 thousands total measured at the pin.

I contacted the seller requesting a refund.
He refused.
He said I could either send it back to JD and wait for it to be repaired
Or
He would trade me out of the cue

I asked for a replacement cue.

I waited for sometime, on several occasions, I offered to pay the difference on some higher priced cues, seller refused.
I was offered some small cuemaker cues that I am unfamiliar with.
Finally in October I was offered a Pechaur cue and was sent 4 photos.
I agreed to the trade.

Once I received the “pechaur” cue, I noticed that there was no markings on the cue of any kind.
I do believe the cue is a Pechaur but it has been refinished by someone other than Pechaur and the signature was removed.
In my honest opinion, a refinished unmarked cue has been seriously depreciated.
I brought this to the sellers attention to which he replies, “I totally agree and forgot.”

I again request a full refund or a replacement.

The seller refuses to do anything further.

Should all be made aware of this persons actions?

jbullerjr,

Sounds like the seller might still have some work to do to settle up and make things right. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I think it would be fine to make all aware of this person, for three reasons. First, it may light a fire under them to fix things. Second, it would be nice to know who does business like that. I know for sure that I would steer clear of any deals with them as long as your situation hasn't been resolved and what you say is true. And third, since there are always two sides to every story, they may want to share their version of what has transpired.

Al

 

[ideologist]

So,

In August 2019 I decided to try a very pretty JD cue. $675

Great looking cue!
It hit pretty well, just couldn’t get used to the leather wrap, sold it for a small loss

The original seller had another JD wrapless this time for sell along with a very nice TS sneaky pete. I bought them both. $1650

The TS was perfect and as described. Pre sold and delivered within 24 hours

The JD was very good looking but only had one shaft.
In the process of trying to have another shaft made, it was discovered that the pin was offset and another shaft could not be easily produced. It was also discovered that the forearm or handle had significant movement. Around 8-10 thousands total measured at the pin.

I contacted the seller requesting a refund.
He refused.
He said I could either send it back to JD and wait for it to be repaired
Or
He would trade me out of the cue

I asked for a replacement cue.

I waited for sometime, on several occasions, I offered to pay the difference on some higher priced cues, seller refused.
I was offered some small cuemaker cues that I am unfamiliar with.
Finally in October I was offered a Pechaur cue and was sent 4 photos.
I agreed to the trade.

Once I received the “pechaur” cue, I noticed that there was no markings on the cue of any kind.
I do believe the cue is a Pechaur but it has been refinished by someone other than Pechaur and the signature was removed.
In my honest opinion, a refinished unmarked cue has been seriously depreciated.
I brought this to the sellers attention to which he replies, “I totally agree and forgot.”

I again request a full refund or a replacement.

The seller refuses to do anything further.

Should all be made aware of this persons actions?

Yep, he's clearly dicking you around. Do you still have the JD?

Push for a payment dispute and go public if he continues to horse around with your money

 

[jbullerjr]

all screenshots have been posted at open billiards market, buy seller transactions

 

[jimmyco]

You asked for opinion, so I will offer mine. You may not agree.

Surprised you did not request additional photos when there were no Pechauer markings visible, since this is important to you.

If it were me, i would take the profit from the TS flip, deduct it against the Pechauer depreciation and call it a day. You've already experienced too much aggravation over this. Maybe spend a few bucks and get a Pechauer marked bumper if that would help at all.

And sure, why not let other potential buyers know the seller? As long as what you state is accurate, you are doing no harm.

 

[OldManOfTheSea]

all screenshots have been posted at open billiards market, buy seller transactions

It took a minute to figure out that it wasn't posted in the normal Open Billiards Market, but in the other one, the Open Billiards Market: Seller/Buyer Transactions. I read through the entire thread and I agree with Ideologist that he's clearly dicking you around. A guy like that is never going to make things right or care that you shared his name and what happened. I would blast his name and what happened everywhere I could, dispute the payment if it's not too late and then be done with it.

Al

 

[jasonlaus]

The guy is obviously a lowlife and should be outed, provided all is true. I know I don't want to deal with whoever it is, and from the sound of things they sell more than a few cues and its seems like there's issues with too many of them.

 

[maha]

look at it from his point of view. he sent a nice stick out. it hit good and the buyer was happy with it. now the buyer wanted an extra shaft and his maker couldnt do it easily because the pin wasnt right. he now agrees to replace it and the buyer again has a problem with a nice stick because there isnt a label on it. but you still thought the cue was nice,
it seems you are looking to buy cues to flip. and flipped cues come with risk. this guy didnt send out warped cues to you that are unplayable cues, just cues that were not up to your particular standards. that is how he may be thinking.

 

[iusedtoberich]

You said the TS was delivered in one day, but you did not specify that for the JD. Was the JD ever in your possession? Or, before even sending it to you, the seller's cue repair guy attempted to make a second shaft and found issues?

 

[SC02GTP]

OBM is like the Wild West, you take your changes and hope it works out. I would change your choice of doing business to a reputable one. There are a lot of good sources to buy cues from that the seller cares about his/her reputation.

If you sleep with dogs, you will get flees....

 

[SBC]

Yep, he's clearly dicking you around. Do you still have the JD?

Push for a payment dispute and go public if he continues to horse around with your money

Initiate a chsrgeback with your credit card or the payment company you used. You will be surprised how accommodating he will become.

This deal on this one cue should have been squashed immediately. Haggling with someone who holds all the cards usually results in getting screwed.

 

[jbullerjr]

Yep, he's clearly dicking you around. Do you still have the JD?

Push for a payment dispute and go public if he continues to horse around with your money

No the JD was traded for the unmarked Pechaur.

I am sure it is too late, I made payment in October.

 

[ideologist]

No the JD was traded for the unmarked Pechaur.

I am sure it is too late, I made payment in October.

Credit cards and PayPal usually cover you for 180 days or up to a year. Jam him up and let the world know his name. I bet he refunds you when the heat is on him

 

[jbullerjr]

You asked for opinion, so I will offer mine. You may not agree.

Surprised you did not request additional photos when there were no Pechauer markings visible, since this is important to you.

If it were me, i would take the profit from the TS flip, deduct it against the Pechauer depreciation and call it a day. You've already experienced too much aggravation over this. Maybe spend a few bucks and get a Pechauer marked bumper if that would help at all.

And sure, why not let other potential buyers know the seller? As long as what you state is accurate, you are doing no harm.

thank you for taking the time to respond

agreed, I should have asked, but isn’t important to everyone? Am I the only person who thinks so?

That is one way to address the issue. This is not the first screwing I have taken in this industry, I’m sure it will not be the last.

I will post the screenshots here later today.

 

[jbullerjr]

look at it from his point of view. he sent a nice stick out. it hit good and the buyer was happy with it. now the buyer wanted an extra shaft and his maker couldnt do it easily because the pin wasnt right. he now agrees to replace it and the buyer again has a problem with a nice stick because there isnt a label on it. but you still thought the cue was nice,
it seems you are looking to buy cues to flip. and flipped cues come with risk. this guy didnt send out warped cues to you that are unplayable cues, just cues that were not up to your particular standards. that is how he may be thinking.

I honestly don’t feel “my standards” are too high.
I was delivered a cue with an off-set pin and a crooked handle, is that an acceptable condition?

then as a replacement i was sent a “Pechaur” that the seller forgot to mention had been refinished and the makers mark removed.

 

[jbullerjr]

You said the TS was delivered in one day, but you did not specify that for the JD. Was the JD ever in your possession? Or, before even sending it to you, the seller's cue repair guy attempted to make a second shaft and found issues?

I was talking about me delivering the TS in one day.
Yes the JD was also sent with the TS, I had it for 6 days before I requested a refund. It was my cue maker that discovered the offset pin, the seller never mentioned it.

 

[jbullerjr]

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[iusedtoberich]

I was talking about me delivering the TS in one day.
Yes the JD was also sent with the TS, I had it for 6 days before I requested a refund. It was my cue maker that discovered the offset pin, the seller never mentioned it.

If you were not happy in 6 days, for any reason, I agree, the seller should have refunded you.

However, I don't think its the seller's fault or obligation to check the pin of the cue being offset. His obligation ends with rolling the cue on the table, and telling you how it looks when rolled. He should not be putting every cue butt and shaft on a lathe, measuring runout, and concentricity of the pin. He should use the same basic tools as a player would, which is the table. If you as a player performed these checks when receiving the cue (rolls "good enough" on the table for a used cue, and "joint of shaft and butt match ok"), but then your cue maker found a problem when trying to make a second shaft, well that's not the sellers fault. Either, the original cue maker who made the cue should be blasted for making a poor product, or your cuemaker doesn't know what he's doing when trying to make a shaft for it. IMO

 

[jbullerjr]

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