Straight Pool

Number1 said:
Actually does anyone know what the true world records are for straight pool? I couldn't find it on the Guiness site? (just lots on beer info LOL :-)

mike euphemia supposedly ran 600+.

i saw butera run 150 in about twenty-some odd minutes. like 24 or something.
 
No problem larry, I have to admit that one of my next Questions would be about rotation. Its a game that I have never seen played in the UK or Australia as 9 ball is only just taking off in both countries. Its probably something that I have played if my limited understanding is anything to go by. When playing 14:1 or straight pool I would often pocket the first 7 balls in order to make it more of a challenge, then pocket the next 7 and then the black. I could still do this quite regualary and I can see why practice this makes 9 ball even easier.

OK so what I gather rotation is playing all the balls in order, but I'm sure there's more to it than that. Anyone want to enlighten me on the basic rules?

Cheers

Craig
 
Number1 said:
I ran 179 on a uk 8 ball table with very tight pockets then missed a basic ball over the middle pocket due to the old concentration. Also had 120 once, missed carried on and got another 110 or something back to back, so I was 1 miss away from almost 250.

Having played on the US tables last year I am REAALY looking forward to playing straight pool when I get to the states, I reckon I can make 300-400 balls easy judging from my experience in vegas.

Straight pool, great game, wish it was still as big as it was?

Craig

craig, are you really playing straight pool, or are you playing the UK version of 14.1, which is very different and much easier (and has no business being called 14.1, it is more like equal offense than 14.1)?

for the americans on here, the in the british version of "14.1" you start every rack with an open break, yes, smash all 15. then just pocket all the balls, shots don't have to be called. then rack all 15 and smash them again. cant remember if you need to make a ball on the smash break, but i don't think so.

for craig, in "real" 14.1 the opening break is a safety shot which continues until one person can make a ball and break up the pack. from then on, you plan on leaving one ball on the table as your "break ball". once one ball is left, you rack the remaining 14 (hence the name 14.1 and hence why the british version is named incorrectly). then the object is to make the last ball and make the cue ball go into the pack to continue your run. it is totally and completely a different game than the british version. given the tightness of the corner pockets on a uk table, i doubt you were playing true 14.1. and the uk version isn't a 2 player game, its basically "equal offense" and its always played as a game of total offense, just always trying to get the highest run possible.

for the british version of "14.1" the highest run I have heard is about 460 or so by darren appleton, and i think at that point he was bored silly, too easy for the likes of him. a run of 179 is impressive, but you need to put things into perspective before you try and compare your runs with the american versions. in the american version, or true 14.1, the break and setting up the key ball is a large part of the difficulty of the game. 179 probably equates to about 50 in real 14.1, but even then you'd need to learn how to correctly set up the table and break the rack. and straight pool is a game between 2 players so often the high run is abandoned in favor of a safe. in the pros, once miss and you may not get to shoot again! there are good shooters who spend years learning this art form and can't break 100.

warren..
 
Warren I was refering to straight pool eg leave a ball to open the pack.

I can understand why darren got bored and missed, UK 14:1 should not really be called 14:1 although I disagree that its not a two player game. I've seen it played in a competative manner with points deducted for fouls etc.. but they should stop playing this and play proper straight pool.

I still think I am capable of getting 300-400 at straight pool in the states. Playing on a UK table I would play to move balls off the cushion more often than play on them, potting them down the rail was not incredibly difficult, however I would never have to do this on the us tables as balls down the rail are virtually unmissable by comparison. Also long banks become a much more makable shot, I am "gagging" as they say in England to start playing straight pool on a US table!

Has darren has his totally recognised as a world record? Always wondered what the highest was, something to aim for next time I'm home!

:-))
 
as for 50 warren, you've got to be kidding me. I could make 50 with a jump cue one handed LOL

If I couldn't make 100 on the US tables I would burn my cue and pack up playing! I talked my company into buying a UK pro table when I was in London (I had my own pool room effectively over KFC over looking leicester square :-) I started playing proper straight pool as the uk version was just silly, as you say you miss because you get bored, its really a test of concetration.

Sorry to harp on about snooker again but breaking a pack of balls on a US table and only having to stay on one ball is much much easier than breaking into the pack off the black on a snooker table. In straight pool you basically get to pick which ball you want to leave as your break ball after you have gone into the pack, and usually theres a number of balls that are ideal for this. I think a lot of players have a passion for break building, eg developing balls, working their way around the table, seeing how many they can string together etc.. Snooker is great game for this but I also think that straight pool addresses this on the pool table where 9 ball and 8 ball doesn't really. On a snooker table I normally break down because I miss the pot than run out of position, if you can put the white ball anywhere you want on a US table I believe that huge totals can be reached as potting is less of an issue.
 
Thats awesome larry, jesus 600+ balls ona 9ft is some achievement. Great info larry, this sort of post is a pleasure to read.

Nice to have an idea what to go at, would you say that straight pool should be played on a 9ft table in the states or is it usually played on a bard box?

They are great records, if I had my way straight pool would be the game of choice ahead of nine ball but I can see why it won't make good TV. But I would like nothing better than to watch two great players play straight pool for sum large wad of cash in a sleazy pool hall in the states! Gives the players a real chance to express themselves, and its tough to come back when you've been sat in your chair for an hour watching the other guy play, this game makes whatever luck is involved in a 9 ball break (and I believe there is heaps) redundant, its much more reliant on skill.

Cheers Larry
 
Number1 said:
Warren I was refering to straight pool eg leave a ball to open the pack.

I can understand why darren got bored and missed, UK 14:1 should not really be called 14:1 although I disagree that its not a two player game. I've seen it played in a competative manner with points deducted for fouls etc.. but they should stop playing this and play proper straight pool.

I still think I am capable of getting 300-400 at straight pool in the states. Playing on a UK table I would play to move balls off the cushion more often than play on them, potting them down the rail was not incredibly difficult, however I would never have to do this on the us tables as balls down the rail are virtually unmissable by comparison. Also long banks become a much more makable shot, I am "gagging" as they say in England to start playing straight pool on a US table!

Has darren has his totally recognised as a world record? Always wondered what the highest was, something to aim for next time I'm home!

:-))

ok, in that case your run is damn impressive! no, darren's run is not recognized as a world record, this ain't even an official game just something people made up and tried to call it 14.1, so i doubt any official body would recognize it.

don't be too disappointed, straight pool is not very common in the states. you can find a game, but your gonna be searching real hard to try and find world class players matching up. maybe in NYC or something its possible. after 9-ball, the game of choice is one pocket. that's the game you need to learn!

later bro, keep us up to date with your travel plans.

warren..
 
Will do warren, as I say I just want to get to the states and start banging away in a good pool hall with a good local pro and probably play on the joss tour. I have no expectations to do much until I have a few months under my belt but sure looking forward to trying!

Would be good to meet up sometime, you seem to know darren fairly well? You can fill me in on the states, I don't care what state pool is in over there it sure looks sexy to me, there's major comps on every month.

As I said I made the choice to walk away from the UK scene when I was a young kid the same age as darren, he continued and made his name. I got a lot of catching up to do, but the UK scene just didn't do it for me then at the time. Driving all over the country waiting 8 hours for a game and playing a tactical battle for 2 hours and winning 2:1 LOL! I grew up with UK 8 Ball but to be honest I agree with Steve Davis when he says its a micky mouse sport. Darren should go to the states and make his name there, I know the pockets are huge but at least the cue ball is the same size as the other balls. I'm sure he would do well.

Regards

Craig
 
Number1 said:
Will do warren, as I say I just want to get to the states and start banging away in a good pool hall with a good local pro and probably play on the joss tour. I have no expectations to do much until I have a few months under my belt but sure looking forward to trying!

Would be good to meet up sometime, you seem to know darren fairly well? You can fill me in on the states, I don't care what state pool is in over there it sure looks sexy to me, there's major comps on every month.

As I said I made the choice to walk away from the UK scene when I was a young kid the same age as darren, he continued and made his name. I got a lot of catching up to do, but the UK scene just didn't do it for me then at the time. Driving all over the country waiting 8 hours for a game and playing a tactical battle for 2 hours and winning 2:1 LOL! I grew up with UK 8 Ball but to be honest I agree with Steve Davis when he says its a micky mouse sport. Darren should go to the states and make his name there, I know the pockets are huge but at least the cue ball is the same size as the other balls. I'm sure he would do well.

Regards

Craig

anytime your nearby i'd be glad to meet up, but i'll warn you i aint now world class player, that's for sure! i haven't met darren in person yet, but i follow the uk scene a bit and i have chatted with darren quite a few times. he has impressed me with his vision for pool, he knows what he is talking about. he agrees with you about the uk "14.1" and also feels the cue ball should be the same size as the object balls. he told me, after the 2002 WPC (he won one of the qualifiers) that when he went back to uk 8 ball, he felt like he was hitting a ping pong ball! although i think he loves the english game too much to ever give it up. he did tell me he hoped to do a 3-6 month tour of the states at one point, we'll see.

one reason you don't see a british player capable of really winning the WPC is most of the cue talent is tied up in snooker and uk 8 ball. snooker i can understand, but i think 9 ball will grow and so the talent pool will as well. if darren, phil harrison, pat holtz, chris melling, etc can get into the WPC via the qualifiers with with all those uk 9 ballers entered, imagine what they could do if they played the game more than a few weeks a year! right now its just more lucrative to play english 8 ball.

later, warren..
 
fast larry said:
The Rempe and any Grady stuff is great, these people know, because they can run 3 friggin balls.:D

Grady Mathews is having a one-pocket and straight pool tournament in Columbia, South Carolina, and the dates are September 2-7, 2003. If anyone is interested, his website is www.gradymathews.com. I have never been to a straight pool tournament, and I am looking forward to seeing who shows up.

Fast Larry, where do you play at? I have been reading your posts and would like to see you shoot pool sometime. I believe you can learn a lot from watching great players while sitting on the rail.

From what I have been reading, apparently Willie Mosconi was a straight-pool man, more than 9-ball, and those who play all games seem to gravitate to straight pool.

ManlyShot
 
I have a 14.1 scoresheet if anyone is interested! Just email me and I'll reply with the document attached!
Best of luck and straight shootin'

Zim
 
Number1,

So you can "easily" run 300 to 400 balls on a 9-foot table? Bullshit, and, oh yea, pigs can fly.
 
bruin70 said:
oh, i wasn't selling myself short, reno. i'm proud of my 14.1 game.

what i meant by "it was only that once", was that that was the only time i have EVER played so intensely on EVERY single shot. totally wore me out.

Bruin, i play a lot of 14.1, the bigest run i ever had a was a lousy 30 balls about 9 years ago. I just started playing about a year now after a long layoff and the most i had going so far was 17. I clear the table well enough but always seem to get in trouble somewhere along the line. I run a lot of 12,s 13, etc. Its totally frustrating to not be able to come close again. I dont really miss many break shots but i think i baby them too much and dont smack the pack as hard as i should.
Anyway, i just recently took up nine ball and it seems my focus is better as the the table is basically a road map. Theres not as much plotting and planning so to speak as there is in straights.
I hate to give the game up but it looks like im going to have to as all the play out here is nine ball and very few straight pool players.
You said that all you play is 14.1 , so you got any advice ??
 
Hopster said:
Bruin, i play a lot of 14.1, the bigest run i ever had a was a lousy 30 balls about 9 years ago. I just started playing about a year now after a long layoff and the most i had going so far was 17. I clear the table well enough but always seem to get in trouble somewhere along the line. I run a lot of 12,s 13, etc. Its totally frustrating to not be able to come close again. I dont really miss many break shots but i think i baby them too much and dont smack the pack as hard as i should.
Anyway, i just recently took up nine ball and it seems my focus is better as the the table is basically a road map. Theres not as much plotting and planning so to speak as there is in straights.
I hate to give the game up but it looks like im going to have to as all the play out here is nine ball and very few straight pool players.
You said that all you play is 14.1 , so you got any advice ??

i don't know about the other games because i don't play them too often. but i think better 14.1 comes from maturity. just understanding what you can and cannot do. it is a game about making the right choices, so i cannot speak for you. it's about understanding the consequences of your shot selection.

when you find yourself in the same predicament over and over again, you have to change the solution....it's like a puzzle.

play to a position that gives you an insurance ball, just in case you screw up on your intended position.

there's so much that only time can help.
 
I know what you mean about the insurance ball. Whenever i got to go uptable after something, i try to have something back downtable thats relatively easy to make. This is probably the best thing i learned about the game, you go after something tough, dont leave yourself hanging in the wind with another tough one right after it. Genius, aint i ?? lol
Its really a tougher game than people give it credit for. I think if i ever came close to running a 100 balls i would faint on the spot from the pressure.
Anyway, thanks for your time. Its appreciated.
 
Hopster said:
Whenever i got to go uptable after something, i try to have something back downtable thats relatively easy to make. This is probably the best thing i learned about the game, you go after something tough, dont leave yourself hanging in the wind with another tough one right after it. Genius, aint i ?? lol
Its really a tougher game than people give it credit for. I think if i ever came close to running a 100 balls i would faint on the spot from the pressure.
Anyway, thanks for your time. Its appreciated.

when i go uptable i like to leave a shot for the side pocket to get back into the rack.
 
bruin70 said:
i only play 14.1.....
9ball only when i feel lazy... 14.1's greatness is that you have no one to blame but yourself. it is chess where 9ball is checkers.

Straight pool is like marriage. Manage the variables and plan for the long run.

Nine ball is like cheap sex.

PoolMouse
 
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