Stroke Rythm

LastTwo

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Have any of you noticed that when you are in stroke, your stroke feels lighter? Alot of people have mentioned they get that feeling when they are in dead punch. I have noticed that too, and although my stroke feels lighter, my cue feels slightly heavier, but it feels like it's balanced perfectly so I can control it easily.

With that in mind, there are a few things I have noticed in the strokes of good players. Almost all good players have a very steady rythm to their strokes. Bad players have terrible rythm, and I see resistance in their strokes. By that I mean, that if you watch good players carefully, during their practice strokes, the last few inches before their tip is at the cueball, there is no resistance. Their stroke is very relaxed, but steady and controlled. If you pay close attention to many bad players, you will notice that those last few inches before their tip arrives at the cueball on their practice strokes, the motion becomes very rough, as if they are struggling to keep their tip in line. This is probably because they have not yet developed muscle memory for a straight stroke, and many muscles are getting involved to keep their cue in line. When at the cueball, there is often slight shaking, they can't seem to keep their tip still. When good players are stopped at the cueball, their tip remains perfectly still, and it gives the impression of a very solid stroke (which is probably a huge part of what a good stroke comes from- stability).

Now with that also in mind, I have been paying close attention to my stroke on my good days and bad days. The days that I am not playing well, I've got all the bad symptoms I've described. My stroke feels heavy and my cue feels too light/poorly balanced, my stroke rythm is off, my tip is not steady when at the cueball. On the days when I am playing decent, these symptoms are less, and my stroke feels slightly lighter and the cue feels more balanced and slightly heavier. When I am playing good, these symptoms are non-existant, my cue feels like an extension of my arm.

Has anyone else noticed this, and if not, what does your stroke feel like when you are playing well?
 
LastTwo said:
Has anyone else noticed this, and if not, what does your stroke feel like when you are playing well?


Man, you're thinking about a lot of stuff. I think it's good to have a heightened sense of awareness on various aspects, but not if it's going to then get you to thinking about the negatives and not allow you to make your changes to get fluid. When you feel a little crappy, you gotta know what to do to get out of it immediately or at least live with it to get you through the day.

If I run into a stroking problem it always boils down to the same thing...a tendency to get jabby at impact causing a poke or hit at the CB with a chopped off follow through. As soon as I notice that creeping in due to either nerves and muscle tightness, I just focus on "stroking through" with an extended or even exagerrated follow through well down the line. It then seems to free everything up and gets the ball to rolling better for speed and accuracy. I don't like to think about all of that other stuff when setting up at the ball and on the backstroke...bad, bad, shit.
 
The reason everything feels great is because you are in alignment with the structure of body. Bert Kinister addresses this in one of his videos. He demonstrates how to find the natural alignment of your body by shooting one handed. The problem with many tapes or instructions is they try to get you to stand and stroke like they do and if you body is not exactly the same you are not comfortable with the stance and are not stroking naturally.
 
Last Two,
Just yesterday I restarted lessons I give to an older gentleman who has all the best in his homeroom(9'Diamond Pro/light...etc.), he has been taking lessons for three or four years and only in the Fall/Winter months. Drivermaker has stated:
If I run into a stroking problem it always boils down to the same thing...a tendency to get jabby at impact causing a poke or hit at the CB with a chopped off follow through. As soon as I notice that creeping in due to either nerves and muscle tightness, I just focus on "stroking through" with an extended or even exagerrated follow through well down the line. It then seems to free everything up and gets the ball to rolling better for speed and accuracy.
...this is almost verbatum what I ended up saying to this gentleman, we worked on his 'exagerrated' follow thru while stay down and this got him back on track pocketing balls and good speed control of the cb.
Nerves and self inflected pressure gotta show up somewhere and your finish/follow thru are the likely suspect most of the time. As a drill I have the guy stay down on easy off angle shots until he hears the sound of the cb's contact or the sound of the ob's hitting the pocket at the same time letting the natural momentum of his cue finish out thru the shot.
In answer to your last question. When I'm playing good/deadpunch all I notice is that everything is happening just like I visualized the shot, especially cb control...
 
cheesemouse said:
Last Two,
Just yesterday I restarted lessons I give to an older gentleman who has all the best in his homeroom(9'Diamond Pro/light...etc.), he has been taking lessons for three or four years and only in the Fall/Winter months. Drivermaker has stated: ...this is almost verbatum what I ended up saying to this gentleman, we worked on his 'exagerrated' follow thru while stay down and this got him back on track pocketing balls and good speed control of the cb.
Nerves and self inflected pressure gotta show up somewhere and your finish/follow thru are the likely suspect most of the time. As a drill I have the guy stay down on easy off angle shots until he hears the sound of the cb's contact or the sound of the ob's hitting the pocket at the same time letting the natural momentum of his cue finish out thru the shot.
In answer to your last question. When I'm playing good/deadpunch all I notice is that everything is happening just like I visualized the shot, especially cb control...

Because I only play for about 2 hrs a week, I always start with an extended stroke. Completely through the ball and before I know it, I'm in stroke.
 
drivermaker said:
... I just focus on "stroking through" with an extended or even exagerrated follow through well down the line...

That is just as bad a being choppy.

New day, different problem.
 
I would suggest once your set up, forget about the CB and shoot the spot on the OB...Obviously you don't actually hit the OB with your tip, but by shooting the spot or "at" the spot with your tip, you eliminate any choppy motion through the CB...

To take it one step further, if I feel like my stroke is "crooked" I will while keeping a good solid bridge, shoot shots in the same way above, but conciously think about moving my back hand straight away and straight at the aim point on the OB...(not the cb)....Almost like I am trying to hit the spot on the OB with my grip hand....Since the tip (and CB) is in between your back hand and OB if your back hand is going to the target, so should your tip (and CB).....If it does not, your probably not aligned correctly from the get go.

It is also a "instant" draw stroke improver .......

I can't for the life of me remember who I learned this from, otherwise I would give them credit.....but I can assure you that I did not think of this on my own...
 
This brings up

a related problem sometimes. Do you ever feel before a tournament,
particularly good sized one, that you are going to shoot real well,
or that you have a bad feeling about how you are going to do, and
it comes true a lot. Sometimes, no matter how hard you try, things
just don't go right, and you kind of knew that before the tournament
even began. Other times, everything feels good, and you shoot well
and you get good rolls, and do real well.

Well, I think these times when you have a negative type feeling, you
become preoccupied with how your stroke feels, and any little negative
nuances about your shooting. You might try as hard as you can to focus
in on the match, but never able to get in any type of zone. Now, some
people might blame it on a negative horoscope or a biorithym that shows
them at 'low tide' for that day, I don't know, and I am saying I don't
necessarily support that, but sometimes it is uncanny how it works out.

Do you experience these types of feelings sometimes?
 
drivermaker said:
Man, you're thinking about a lot of stuff. I think it's good to have a heightened sense of awareness on various aspects, but not if it's going to then get you to thinking about the negatives and not allow you to make your changes to get fluid. When you feel a little crappy, you gotta know what to do to get out of it immediately or at least live with it to get you through the day.

If I run into a stroking problem it always boils down to the same thing...a tendency to get jabby at impact causing a poke or hit at the CB with a chopped off follow through. As soon as I notice that creeping in due to either nerves and muscle tightness, I just focus on "stroking through" with an extended or even exagerrated follow through well down the line. It then seems to free everything up and gets the ball to rolling better for speed and accuracy. I don't like to think about all of that other stuff when setting up at the ball and on the backstroke...bad, bad, shit.

Yup, what he said.
 
Amen on follow-through.

And I also think of what John Riggins said to a recently retired Supreme Court justice when he was liquored up at a DC party: "Hey, loosen up, Sandy baby!"
 
Snapshot9 said:
a related problem sometimes. Do you ever feel before a tournament,
particularly good sized one, that you are going to shoot real well,
or that you have a bad feeling about how you are going to do, and
it comes true a lot. Sometimes, no matter how hard you try, things
just don't go right, and you kind of knew that before the tournament
even began. Other times, everything feels good, and you shoot well
and you get good rolls, and do real well.

Well, I think these times when you have a negative type feeling, you
become preoccupied with how your stroke feels, and any little negative
nuances about your shooting. You might try as hard as you can to focus
in on the match, but never able to get in any type of zone. Now, some
people might blame it on a negative horoscope or a biorithym that shows
them at 'low tide' for that day, I don't know, and I am saying I don't
necessarily support that, but sometimes it is uncanny how it works out.

Do you experience these types of feelings sometimes?


YES...NO...NOT NECESSARILY...AND QUITE POSSIBLE

What you stated above can happen, but I've also had it occur just the opposite. While warming up, have a totally shitty feel on everything...miss balls...feel nervous as hell...start getting antsy and negative...and then come out of the blocks and shoot lights out all night long.

On the other hand while warming up, have a super feel...totally relaxed and loose...making balls and getting the speed like you're in dead stroke...and then come out and shoot like an absolute dog!

T'is a weird and unpredictable game at times...that's why it's so addictive.
 
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