stun follow vs. top follow

evergruven

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especially in tight situations, balls are close, etc.
moderns pros seem to prefer the stun follow
if so, what's the practical reasoning for this?
 

straightline

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Do you mean a stop shot with a short after run or just following from the equator or lower?

Ideally any decisions thereof would be based on comfort/consistency/accuracy/consistency in addition to consistency.

For me these choices depend on shot dimensions ie. lay of the balls; how and where the cue ball needs to go and more often than not, avoiding changeups. FI if your pattern is mostly popping ducks in, you may opt for that stun follow because the cue speed is in the same zone as the rest of the shots. Beyond that is the nagging question, "is this gonna roll off?" Other factors allowing, popping it will cure that.
 

evergruven

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Do you mean a stop shot with a short after run or just following from the equator or lower?

Ideally any decisions thereof would be based on comfort/consistency/accuracy/consistency in addition to consistency.

For me these choices depend on shot dimensions ie. lay of the balls; how and where the cue ball needs to go and more often than not, avoiding changeups. FI if your pattern is mostly popping ducks in, you may opt for that stun follow because the cue speed is in the same zone as the rest of the shots. Beyond that is the nagging question, "is this gonna roll off?" Other factors allowing, popping it will cure that.

hey straight
great initial question
sliding the cb with a lazy draw is a neat shot
stop shot after run in this case tho, I think
I believe some call it a "stun run though" shot?
of course every player/layout is unique
but I see a lot of pros use the shot
I figured the "roll off" thing might be a factor
tho pro gear appears to usually be consistent
maintaining cue speed makes sense too
help a player keep a rhythm going
those things together could count for a lot
thanks for the reply
 

336Robin

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especially in tight situations, balls are close, etc.
moderns pros seem to prefer the stun follow
if so, what's the practical reasoning for this?

One pocket players use it because its controlling whitey. You can blast a ball
you're shooting into towards another location and then roll the cue ball up behind something for defense. Deadly skill.
 

evergruven

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One pocket players use it because its controlling whitey. You can blast a ball
you're shooting into towards another location and then roll the cue ball up behind something for defense. Deadly skill.

hey robin
that's a great point..
ability to control balls in a safety situation is sure worth considering
and an advantage I can visualize for the stun-run
thanks for the shout!
 

bbb

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it lets you stroke the ball as opposed to slow rolling
 

Patrick Johnson

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Stun rollthrough is also a way we control the carom angle, often without thinking of it as stun rollthrough.

It’s also a way to “enhance” sidespin.

It’s not just “stun” vs. “top” - stun rollthrough can be achieved by hitting any distance below center or even a little above center, depending on OB distance

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evergruven

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it lets you stroke the ball as opposed to slow rolling

dig that..thanks larry

Stun rollthrough is also a way we control the carom angle, often without thinking of it as stun rollthrough.

It’s also a way to “enhance” sidespin.

It’s not just “stun” vs. “top” - stun rollthrough can be achieved by hitting any distance below center or even a little above center, depending on OB distance

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hey pat, thanks
hitting above/below re: distance is a great point
can you explain the enhancing sidespin part?
 

straightline

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hey straight
great initial question
sliding the cb with a lazy draw is a neat shot
stop shot after run in this case tho, I think
I believe some call it a "stun run though" shot?
of course every player/layout is unique
but I see a lot of pros use the shot
I figured the "roll off" thing might be a factor
tho pro gear appears to usually be consistent
maintaining cue speed makes sense too
help a player keep a rhythm going
those things together could count for a lot
thanks for the reply

Ok. I guess I semi read your post. Yeah. In close I hit punchier and higher for draw but to follow I do tend to roll the ball. Not a player so my concerns aren't so much strategic as what I can do. I will add that, in close, is fertile ground for testing you ball control.
 

Patrick Johnson

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can you explain the enhancing sidespin part?
You can get "extra" side spin action by hitting a stun rollthrough with side spin - the forward speed wears off, but the side spin doesn't, resulting in a greater spin-to-speed ratio (and therefore greater spin action) than you can get otherwise.

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chgo
 

ChrisinNC

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especially in tight situations, balls are close, etc.
moderns pros seem to prefer the stun follow
if so, what's the practical reasoning for this?
I would assume the main reason is to eliminate any possible chance of rolloff (cue ball and/or object ball) that could potentially cause a miss on a slow paced hit.
 
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Patrick Johnson

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I would assume the main reason is to eliminate any possible chance of rolloff...
I'm also a little better at controlling short follow distances with stun rollthrough. With a slow roll I might have to think about getting enough OB speed.

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evergruven

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You can get "extra" side spin action by hitting a stun rollthrough with side spin - the forward speed wears off, but the side spin doesn't, resulting in a greater spin-to-speed ratio (and therefore greater spin action) than you can get otherwise.

pj
chgo

thanks pat
I can visualize that..
I miss a real pool table tho.

thanks all for the replies~
 
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